Cadencia, or lack of...

Mario7 said:
Post videos here of dances (A.T.) with little to no Cadencia or videos with lots or some...let's figure this out!
Click to expand...
Mario7 said:
This is the benchmark for Cadencia:...
Click to expand...
Should be interesting. The problem is that, like musicality, it is largely subjective to the individual/s dancing it. We can not say whether it is right/wrong... good/bad... only whether we like it or not. For example, that which you have noted as "...the benchmark..." might appear just average, or normal, to someone else.
 
Mario7 said:
I like how this young couple dance .. they definately have some Cadencia ....let's figure this out!
Click to expand...

Neither impress me mainly because of hold and posture. I guess Pamela RAMOS ARACENA in the first video is happy enough but she looks truly uncomfortable to me, hanging on with her right arm wrapped too far round, crooked shoulders, contorted body, head turned to her right, lower ribcage clamped by Carlitos ESPINOZA with a firm hold so she just has to go with him. And oh - her poor back, she might regret dancing like that in later life.

Is this your idea of apilado, Mario?

Working out cadencia is truly pointless. The word seems to be being used by argentinians to explain the almost unexplainable. It's a catchall word with no meaning in Tango - at least until I hear an authoritive source truly explain what they mean by the word.


Lilly_of_the_valley said:
Ha! I am in the 2nd video... behind the cameraman. :)Sweet memories.
Click to expand...

So as the video is entitled Cadencia, do you recollect what they said (if anything) about Cadencia and tango.
 
Um...I thought there was some consensus that no one really knew what it was. Or that no one could agree on what it was.

What, then, is the point? To post videos of something no one apparently understands, or understands differently? How is this any different than posting videos of This Is Perfect Musicality?
 
Lui said:
Look for cadencia here:

Mundial de Tango 2009 - Final Salon - Baile de Maestros
Oscar Casas y Sheila Casas
Click to expand...
I'm with Peaches here.
What are we looking for?

If it amounts to anything I don't see anything mystical in the first one, but then I think competitions and social/salon tango are contradictory.

But for me there is joy pouring out of the second one. Not only that Oscar Casas definitely does have something, elegant posture, a fluidity of movement, great connection with partner and the music.

It's visible and a great example.
Is that cadencia? I've no idea.
 
Peaches said:
Um...I thought there was some consensus that no one really knew what it was. Or that no one could agree on what it was.

What, then, is the point? To post videos of something no one apparently understands, or understands differently? How is this any different than posting videos of This Is Perfect Musicality?
Click to expand...
I don't agree that we reached a consensus that no one knew what it was. I think it's hard to explain, though. Cadencia could be considered to be an aspect of musicality, though. It's a way of walking with style and rhythm, and it's a personalized thing. Taken out of the context of tango, if you watch people just walking down the street, some people just naturally seem to have a style or rhythm to their walk, while others do not.

In tango, some people use counter body motion as part of their cadencia. Others (like the two that Mario posted in this thread), do a bit of a rise of the shoulder, (on the side of the foot they are stepping on to), as part of their cadencia. It's sort of a subdued version of "rocking a baby", type of motion (in Mario's two videos).
 
Compare the dancing from "American Bandstand" to "Soul Train"

The soul train kids have more "soul".

Substitute different back grounds and the word "cadencia" for "soul"

It is a way of saying that your life experiences and culture tend to be reflected in your dancing.
 
DerekWeb said:
Compare the dancing from "American Bandstand" to "Soul Train"

The soul train kids have more "soul".

Substitute different back grounds and the word "cadencia" for "soul"

It is a way of saying that your life experiences and culture tend to be reflected in your dancing.
Click to expand...
An excellent analogy.

:cheers:
 
DerekWeb said:
Compare the dancing from "American Bandstand" to "Soul Train"

The soul train kids have more "soul".

Substitute different back grounds and the word "cadencia" for "soul"

.
Click to expand...
I was thinking along the same lines....

DerekWeb said:
It is a way of saying that your life experiences and culture tend to be reflected in your dancing.
Click to expand...

I dunno about that. I probably dance in spite of my life experiences and British culture..
 
dchester said:
I don't agree that we reached a consensus that no one knew what it was. I think it's hard to explain, though. Cadencia could be considered to be an aspect of musicality, though. It's a way of walking with style and rhythm, and it's a personalized thing. Taken out of the context of tango, if you watch people just walking down the street, some people just naturally seem to have a style or rhythm to their walk, while others do not.

In tango, some people use counter body motion as part of their cadencia. Others (like the two that Mario posted in this thread), do a bit of a rise of the shoulder, (on the side of the foot they are stepping on to), as part of their cadencia. It's sort of a subdued version of "rocking a baby", type of motion (in Mario's two videos).
Click to expand...

This is a prize example of using a word to mean whatever it is you want it to mean. Problem for me is cadencia already has specific meanings including one that could relate to the walk but nothing else. And indeed dchester relates it to walking down the street.

And then ruins it all by extending it far beyond anything meaningful.

The soul analogy might be better but it's all so vague as is the whole concept. You may as well say that it's as if the dancing is emanating from your whole body. At least Ocar Casas does that, not many people do, even it seems in BsAs.

And whatever it is, it's a lot more subtle than in some of the videos. It just looks and is totally natural and completely uncontrived.
 
In my opinion, rocking your shoulders is not cadencia but a bad habit, it obscures the lead. Beside that I agree with dchesters description. I posted the Casas video because I see a lot of cadencia in that dance. I think the cadencia will turn out more visible, when the couple is dancing in a relaxed social setting. Filming a whole evening at a milonga would be the best, but it lacks the respect for the dancers. The next best think I found was the mundial example. You see quite a handful of the leading figures of social dancing and they didn’t switched off their cadencia for the competition.

You don’t need to agree with me, but those people have shaped the dance downtown Buenos Aires. If they don’t have cadencia who has?
 
Lui said:
In my opinion, rocking your shoulders is not cadencia but a bad habit, it obscures the lead. Beside that I agree with dchesters description. I posted the Casas video because I see a lot of cadencia in that dance. I think the cadencia will turn out more visible, when the couple is dancing in a relaxed social setting. Filming a whole evening at a milonga would be the best, but it lacks the respect for the dancers. The next best think I found, was the mundial example. You see quite a handful of the leading figures of social dancing and the didn’t switched off their cadencia for the competition.

You don’t need to agree with me, but those people have shaped the dance downtown Buenos Aires. If they don’t have cadancia who has?
Click to expand...
I don't know if "rocking the shoulders" was the best description, but did you see the motion I was referring to, in those 2 videos that Mario posted. Possibly another way to describe it is rising (slightly) on the side that you step on. In any case, it's a different from counter body motion.

Believe it or not, it's more than just a "bad habit" (at least to some), as I was in a class where that motion was taught.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Dance Ads

Advertise on Dance Forums Reach dancers, teachers, studios, event organizers, and dance-friendly brands. View ad options
Back
Top