That would certainly be true of ballet turnout as well.
Of course, tango is supposed to be "natural" which is why we all find it so easy.
Changing the embrace..pleasing or not?
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That would certainly be true of ballet turnout as well.
Of course, tango is supposed to be "natural" which is why we all find it so easy.
Borisvian, whatever is your definition of leaning with torso and whatever is your position in the space, if you can stay balanced alone it necessarly means that you are not sharing weight at all.
This is a basic mechanical concept: if your center of mass is above the area between your feet, then you can stay balanced alone, otherwise you need someone else to support part of your weight, and the amount of shared weight depends on the leaning.
Hence, if the leaning is very little, you can dance without sharing weight: you just have to keep your center of mass (which is NOT ALWAYS in the pelvis area, but depends on your position!) over your feet.
Probably this is what you mean by "leaning is an illusion", and this is what are apparently doing Geraldine and Javier in the video. They are wonderful, but it doesn't mean that this is the only way to dance tango.
Actually you can dance with weight sharing as well.
In the following video, the same dancer, Geraldine, is dancing with Gavito, seamlessly alternating CE,OE, with and without weight sharing.
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This is a basic mechanical concept: if your center of mass is above the area between your feet, then you can stay balanced alone, otherwise you need someone else to support part of your weight, and the amount of shared weight depends on the leaning.
Hence, if the leaning is very little, you can dance without sharing weight: you just have to keep your center of mass (which is NOT ALWAYS in the pelvis area, but depends on your position!) over your feet.
Probably this is what you mean by "leaning is an illusion", and this is what are apparently doing Geraldine and Javier in the video. They are wonderful, but it doesn't mean that this is the only way to dance tango.
Actually you can dance with weight sharing as well.
In the following video, the same dancer, Geraldine, is dancing with Gavito, seamlessly alternating CE,OE, with and without weight sharing.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N01TpzQb2Oo
To me, there is not even an illusion of lean in that video. It seems to me they are both clearly on their own balance and not sharing weight at all.
It does not look like what I would call milonguero but that's ok. To each his own.
Personally I can't dance with my legs perpendicular to the floor and my lower back arched as a way to get my chest to make contact. Its painful. I have seen videos of Geraldine where her use of that type of posture is far more exaggerated than this one however.
To me its more of a modified Salon V. that Milongueor
Not quite as much V angle as is often seen in a V, but not as parallel as milonguero, and her head is facing more to her right than past his right ear.)
Ampster
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Just as a point of reference, the more you dance and the more you immerse yourself in tango, the more muddled (and melded) the definitions of these things are. Sometimes, even becoming synonymous to a "feeling," rather than just a technique.
Well, yes... but I'm not the one who tried to define what it is... I was just responding.
As for what "feeling" it is, I wouldn't want to hazard a guess as to what "style" someone else is "feeling". (and without sound on my computer when I watched the video, I can only talk about the way it LOOKS.) I think the old milongueros would agree that tango is a feeling. However, I think they would dispute the idea that one could be in just about any embrace and dance the "feeling" of the tango of the old milongueros.
Me, I don't dispute what others say they feel. But I find it impossible to determine for someone else just by watching them in a 3"x5" video. So that leaves me with discussing technique.
Ampster
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Well, yes... but I'm not the one who tried to define what it is... I was just responding.
As for what "feeling" it is, I wouldn't want to hazard a guess as to what "style" someone else is "feeling". (and without sound on my computer when I watched the video, I can only talk about the way it LOOKS.) I think the old milongueros would agree that tango is a feeling. However, I think they would dispute the idea that one could be in just about any embrace and dance the "feeling" of the tango of the old milongueros.
Me, I don't dispute what others say they feel. But I find it impossible to determine for someone else just by watching them in a 3"x5" video. So that leaves me with discussing technique.
Precisely! Told you it all gets to muddled after a while. It's a beautiful thing, isn't it?
Joe
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Because, my dear, you are a masochist!
