Chicho Frumboli interview in El Tangauta (Dec 2009)
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Mario7
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Kereyest, if it means so much to you that it bothers you, why don't you just register at the site she gave you and read the whole article? Or would your new user name and password be too creative and valuable to share, too?Nah. It's much more fun to just throw something kinda' vague and provoking out there, and then watch all the fish take a nibble.
Dave Bailey
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My point was, if you want an open discussion, having non-open original sources is not the way to go about it.
jantango
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Chicho was man enough to admit that he learned the essence of tango and then forgot to pass it on in his teaching. Read his words in the interview. I don't call it essence; Chicho does. It's what so many have been missing while they are busy memorizing steps and being brainwashed with choreography that will never make them into dancers.
Gustavo Naveira has given one of his expensive workshops the title, "Tango Milonguero." I doubt it bears any resemblance to the way any milonguero dances today in the traditional milongas near downtown. He never called what he dances "nuevo tango" and now he's turned around to catch a new market of fools.
I dance tango. That's what the milongueros call it, plain and simple. It is real and simple tango for the average person who wants to dance socially. The new tango movement has nothing to do with social dancing; it's all about marketing big movements for those who dance to impress and to put lots of money in the pockets of the sellers.
jantango
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I've been doing just that for the past ten years. When do you arrive?
jantango
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHKmyqsj4Yw
I admire Chicho's style, but for this video, it would have been nice to see him return to a milonguero style... IMO.
You admire his style and then say you'd like to see him dance another way. Why? He has to be true to himself in his dance.
I saw Chicho in 1997 in a milonga. I didn't care for his dancing then nor did I care for it in this video clip. He has been stomping all these years and continues dancing that way. He has a great sense for the music with his training. There is no elegance to his dancing. He chose Di Sarli for the exhibition and hits the accents like he's dancing to jazz. There is no embrace with his partner. What he feels in the music isn't shared with his partner because they have no connection.
Dave Bailey
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Dave Bailey
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Go on, you know you want to...Trying hard to resist tasty bait . . .
Mario7
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A quote from THE interview:
A quote:
"Yes, but those milongueros had respect, delicacy and sensibility, it
was totally different. I know my role is contradictory, because I also
collaborated in generating this young movement. In its moment I got
tired of the strict milonguero codes that didn?t correspond with my
time and to rebel I tried to make my way. Today I?m a milonguero again
(laughter); I?m against the people who do not cabecear (nod), who
don?t have codes or respect. The value of tango has been diluted. That
is why I say that many dancers are lost, they barely hold on to each
other to dance and for two hours like zombies, it is very sad." -Chicho
A quote:
"Yes, but those milongueros had respect, delicacy and sensibility, it
was totally different. I know my role is contradictory, because I also
collaborated in generating this young movement. In its moment I got
tired of the strict milonguero codes that didn?t correspond with my
time and to rebel I tried to make my way. Today I?m a milonguero again
(laughter); I?m against the people who do not cabecear (nod), who
don?t have codes or respect. The value of tango has been diluted. That
is why I say that many dancers are lost, they barely hold on to each
other to dance and for two hours like zombies, it is very sad." -Chicho
I wonder who's world he is speaking of? His, mine, JanTango's?
And, although this is somewhat tongue in cheek, perhaps he misses the days in the 50s when people also danced to "jazz" as well as tango, as recounted here.
http://inheritingthetango.blogspot.com/2009/08/interview-one-facundo-posadas.html
If you don't find an environment where there are people whom you want to be joined with torso to torso, and want to join with you, and where you aren't associating with people whom you have known for years, knowing their preferences of music and how to dance to it, etc, chances are good that you will look somewhere else for something to do.
I really do wonder though, where Chico is talking about with that statement.
And, although this is somewhat tongue in cheek, perhaps he misses the days in the 50s when people also danced to "jazz" as well as tango, as recounted here.
http://inheritingthetango.blogspot.com/2009/08/interview-one-facundo-posadas.html
If you don't find an environment where there are people whom you want to be joined with torso to torso, and want to join with you, and where you aren't associating with people whom you have known for years, knowing their preferences of music and how to dance to it, etc, chances are good that you will look somewhere else for something to do.
I really do wonder though, where Chico is talking about with that statement.
Mario7
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in this interview he is talking about his own followers.. Nuevo.
"I know my role is contradictory, because I also
collaborated in generating this young movement." -Chicho
Does that ring true with you that nuevo dancers dance like zombies? Most often people complain that they are too energetic. And, that stuff can be a heck of a lot of fun, just like the older styles of AT, before the "Golden Age". But, see, that isn't AT.
Mario7
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So, are you thinking that he must be talking about some other dance style...not according to my read of it. And for the term ´zombies´ ... I´m guessing that they are not dancing to the music ...he is of a different culture and observing in another culture altogether and he may have a different meaning for the word. ...but it is obvious that he is talking about the Tango dancers that he helped create. ...sort of a mea culpa, mea culpa.