choreography advice

jenibelle

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Hello DF family!

I've been in a performance group for a few months and our instructor asked my partner and me if we wanted to create a solo routine from scratch to perform in addition to our group's numbers. We agreed and it's all good but now we have to choreograph a routine. Ahhh! :shock:

To all you choreographers: I've never choreographed anything before. Does anyone have any advice out there? I know it's a general question but ANYTHING helps!

I'm pretty good at cutting songs and making collages...that's the easy part.

Thanks!

Jeni :D
 
watch videos of yourself and other people, and pick out things that you like - even just a couple of moves or picture lines that reflect different points in the music can help you get started.
 
Depends on how much detail you want to go into.

If you really wanna play with the music, you should count the breaks and other elements of the song you choose, and make the choreography fit it.

Hey Dragon - remember that performance by Juan and Diana? It was the first time I had seen a salsa performance where a dancer was tapping her feet in time to the percussion. Quite remarkable the first time you see it (not quite as impressive after the 50th time).
 
LOL! Sorry...I didn't give any detail. Well, I'm starting from scratch, so I have no detail :) But yeah, we were planning on 2 minutes or so, of one song then a hit or two, then another song + finale. It's just that all the performances we've seen have that little "extra" something that makes it original. Like a theme or a super original idea.

We want only salsa though and the music we've sort of picked is "Rumba a los Santos" for the most of the salsa part. It helps if you've heard it so i hope you have!

Jeni
 
ok... I don't know if I've heard it... but my advice is this:
- don't do acrobatics unless you are VERY GOOD at it! acrobatics is for shows of the preofessionals, not everybody can do it... and if you don't do it properly, it looks awful! if you are good at it and decide to give it a try, please do not wear G-strings with a skirt! it looks unprofessional (I am not sure you don't already know this...)
- dips are ok... but I'd do them to hit an accent of the music!
- I'd try to do only things (shines and patterns) that I know well, and arrange them to fit the music!
- shines are easier to remember... :)... I use many!
 
Well, I don't do salsa, but I've choreographed a couple of showcase routines for Ceroc so maybe I can tell you something useful!

The first thing I do is sort out the theme/mood etc of the routine. Then I listen to the song heaps and heaps and heaps and often it'll feel like a particular move just has to go with that part of the music. It'll usually be a hit or break or slower bit or whatever. After the cool parts are choroegraphed, it's usually fairly simple to link them up... Watch heaps of videos and steal moves, that's always helpful too! :) I agree with squirrel, the routine doesn't have to be super complicated, just put heaps of attitude into the simple moves and you'll be fine!

Hope this helps a bit!
 
hello!
Thanks so much guys for all your help!
Woohoo this is so exciting!

And I think choreographing really helps one to 'feel' the music.

Jeni
 
Yep I agree with of of what is already said,

However, try to create some moves that are completely new or that are based on existing moves that you can already do. You get satisfaction out of having created them yourself and you get to name them whatever you want. When you create something new you become part of the history of Salsa.

Another thing is that it takes a hell of a long time to create a coreography. If you already have a date set for preforming then you will need to be ready about 4 weeks in advance, unless you are living, eating, and sleeping dance.

As regards the acrobatics( if you are going to do any) PRACTICE as much as possible, but always try and have a back up plan, I mean a move that you can do if you end up putting your back out the day before the show !

One other thing, if you get a tune and mix it up, and have a theme (i dont know a batman or a cowboy theme), then that doesnt mean that you are thinking outside the box........

how many dance routines have already gone down this road........

of getting a tune and mixing it up, and having a theme........

think OUTSIDE the box......

Now might be a good time to tell you all to check out my photos in the Photo Album,

:bandit:
 
Uh oh! I have four weeks and a bit and we're not even halfway there! But then again, I live, sleep, eat, breathe dance. :D

It's hard to even think of a theme because it seems like everything has been done before!! I'll check out those photos right away.

Thanks!

Jeni
 
squirrel said:
ok... I don't know if I've heard it... but my advice is this:

I sort of disagree with all you have said here, sorry :?

Don't do acrobatics unless you are very good is the only part I can fully agree with.

Then again, when you want to put on a show, don't do ANYTHING you are not very good at ! Especially since you have so litle time to prepare everything, only do stuf you are very good at. What ever performance you will put on, chances are someone, somwhere, has already done it, or is about to do it. And someone, somewhere, is better at it then you are. So why throw in moves you can only perform half way ?

Go for the things you are best at, you may not turn out the best looking show of the evening, but you will turnout the best looking show you can produce, and no one can ask you to do more than that.

But I do not see why acrobatics should be only for professionals. Well, we will have to agree on the definition of it, but I do believe I can perform a few myself, and though I obvisouly don't do them while social dancing, I do not see a good reason I should not give it a try should I get to choregraph a show on my own. (and by "give it a try" I mean "see how it looks". If you look terrible, then back to the above rule : don't loose time getting bad at something you are awfull at, spend that time getting perfect at something you are good at)


Now, only do things you can (OK, got that covered) and arrange it to fit the music. Wrong way to go for me. You should listen to the music, over and over, and get a feel for what to do. Don't dance it. Just listen to it. All the time : while driving to work, while showering, while cooking, while mowing the lawn... And what ever you do, REFRAIN FROM DANCING for at least four or five days (I'd say much more, but hey, you allready got 4 more weeks to go right...)
This should have 3 results :

1. You will be dying to dance to this song, and know every single beat of it, every single instrument, and have a perfect timing on it.
2. Chances are while sitting out frustrated, moves are going to pop into your head. "Men, if only I could dance, THAT is what I would do to that drummer"
3. The knowledge of the instruments of the song will give you ways to change the way your choregraphy adapts to the music, by picking instruments to follow that may very well not be the leading one you heard the first time you listened to the song. And probably no one usually hears it that way. But if your moves are timed right, every one will be taken aback when they realize you ARE dancing to the music, they were just not hearing it right.


Onto "shines"
Though I love shines, and would love to be able to do them right, I can't say I care to much for long shine passages in a choregraphy, because it is very hard to keep the show consistant. Either you do choregraph the whole song to be shines (and you'd better be very very good at it) or you should limit it. It can way to easily break the rythm that is very hard to build on stage, and it so often looks like "OK, I was out of ideas there to fit the music, so I just decided to throw in 1mn23 of shines"


Than last, but most important :

Why the hell would G-string look unprofessional ? (and besides, who cares if it does when you are not)

But hey, I really do not understand why it is such a big "no no" in states. Out of all the shows in LA, I believe I only saw like 4 or 5 performers wearing G-strings. What is wrong with wearing 'em ? Most dancer do wear some anyways to avoid the marking you get from other garments, and then when you put on a show you should wear grand'mas panties :shock:
A dance show is supposed to be beautifull, seduce you, excite you, keep you on your toes. Grand'mas underwear sure as hell does not do that for me...
 
since you only know some things well, and others you do not master, then why do them, ,even if they do fit the music?! I know some songs where acrobatics would be just perfect for a particular piece... but I cannot look good doing it, so I don't!

and I don't do acrobatics if I don't look like the world's champion! it's just the way I am...

G-strings... are a no-no!!! Imagine seeing a cellulite-ridden butt sticking out of a dress while dancing!!! it is disgusting! I just said don't wear them with a dress or a skirt that's going up and down! Let me tell you I saw this in a performance here about 3 weeks ago... and nobody looked at the show! they looked at her butt sticking out and called her bad names! she was a Ballroom dancer doing sort of a Salsa show and she should have known better! the guys called her names, not the girls! said she's out to get 'some' and she's a wh@re!!! all this because she was wearing G-strings and her dress went up during acrobatics!

About choreographies... yes, if you have time to listen to the song over and over again, you can do it! but if you have to come up with a choreography in 2 weeks, and you can only rehears for 2 hours a day, then you have to stick to what you know already! new moves... are a bad idea! I was supposed to do a choreography in 3 weeks, with 8 girls (myself included) and know how difficult is for people to remember the patterns! so I tried to stick to what they knew and put it on music!
 
More questions on the choreography side of things: Does anyone else get severe headaches after working for a few hours on it? I feel so mentally tired right now and like I've gotten nowhere! My brain is friiiiiied!

Another thing: Is there a place where I can get sound effects because I am making a collage of three songs and I'd like to experiment with transitions...unfortunately I am working with right now the sound of a machine gun and the sound of a toilet flushing...LOL!
Thanks for all the help so far, you guys are brilliant!
Jeni
 

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