Coaching - Choreography? Technique?
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) session tonight. Really looking forward to it, whichever way I go.
fascination
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I would much rather pay for technique from a coach than choreo....
etp777
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None of pros at our studio are up to showcase choreography yet though. Well, suspect several of them are, but THEY don't think they are. So we always get our showcase choreo from one of visiting coaches. With exception of one student who does his own. And I'm not up to that one. 
Our pros aren't on level of yours yet.
That being said, coach in question does amazing work on smooth technique/styling/etc. done great things for some friends who are pro smooth couple at another studio in area. So I'm going back and forth. May not decide until I walk into studio tonight.
Our pros aren't on level of yours yet.
That being said, coach in question does amazing work on smooth technique/styling/etc. done great things for some friends who are pro smooth couple at another studio in area. So I'm going back and forth. May not decide until I walk into studio tonight.
fascination
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I guess I get that but my few is that lots of folks can pull out some fancy amalgamations and put them together ... unless I was doing something extremely vital, like my first open routines, I would rather pay for information on how to do techinical really well and add fluff later, regardless of who my pro was, maybe even moreso if they weren't high profile...but it is an individual choice...and yours to make...just offering my 2C...if you are planning on competing this year or early next, I would go through my two weakest routines with the coach
Purr
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For me, it depends on the need. I paid dearly for silver standard routines, which were nicely choreographed and legal, and I wouldn't trade the experience. Someday the silver smooth routines, as they are, need to be revisited.
ireniecat
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In general, I agree. But I think it really depends on the situation. I've spent lots of good time and money correcting bad choreography that just didn't "work" or "make sense." You're always going to be working on improving technique, but the choreography you get once is likely to stick around for a while, so might as well make sure it's good the first time around.
fascination
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sure...here is my point...if you are paying for choreo because it is for a comp, either as a showcase routine or your competitive routines, b/c your pro either doesn't know what is legal or doesn't know enough to make it up to par, I can certainly see that...as it will also be something seen outside a very narrow social circle and likely be the material that you use for a long long time...but, for me, and only for me, I would not pay top dollar for choreograpy for a showcase number that was going to be for a studio showcase or even slightly more open showcase, a grand total of maybe three times...but it is just a general preference on my part...certainly not a universal statement of truth
etp777
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Yeah Purr, that's part of reason I'm going back and forth. Will get new showcase and open routine out of it (did that with my chacha showcase, pulling out section to use as open routine), both of which I need, but also could use the technique.
If I had my tango showcase danccable still, would have had a coaching on the technique/style on that, as he's actually judged that one for me before in competition. Would have loved to bring in score sheets, do routine, and then have him coach it. But, I haven't gotten that one back up to speed yet, so not an option. Luckily, now that we're getting in coaches semi regularly (though not nearly as often as my other studio), Even if I do choreography this time, can get a real coaching next time around.
And ireniecat, R E F R E S H is censored because it messes with the forum software, not because it's a bad word.
If I had my tango showcase danccable still, would have had a coaching on the technique/style on that, as he's actually judged that one for me before in competition. Would have loved to bring in score sheets, do routine, and then have him coach it. But, I haven't gotten that one back up to speed yet, so not an option. Luckily, now that we're getting in coaches semi regularly (though not nearly as often as my other studio), Even if I do choreography this time, can get a real coaching next time around.
And ireniecat, R E F R E S H is censored because it messes with the forum software, not because it's a bad word.
fascination
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again, it does depend on what the choreo was for...when fp and I were looking at getting choreo for open smooth routines (just before hell broke loose, thus it was a waste of money) the first thing we did was pay big bucks for good choreo...those were for rouines that I would have probably been doing for the next five years (though I think choreo always gets tweaked no matter how good it is)...I am simply saying that I wouldn't shell out that sort of dough for a studio showcase when the alternative is to get technical coaching on how to actually do those routines better...again, some folks spend their money on food, some on clothes, some on flowers some on coin collections some on video games...we all have our preferences and etp has a right to spend his hard earned money the way he chooses...but since he sounded ambivilent I thought I would weigh in, particularly given that he is considering competing soon in an comp outside his franchise and I am confident that his pros are competant enough to contruct bronze routine choreo...so my assumption is that he is talking about showcase choreo
ireniecat
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etp777
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Actually, pros let me figure out my own closed choreography. And no plans for open comps in immediate future, or would definitely be going with coaching. Only comp plans right now are closed comp in september. after that, who knows, depends on money, job, etc. Definitely appreciate the concern/advice/input from everyone though
And no plans for open comps in immediate future, or would definitely be going with coaching. Only comp plans right now are closed comp in september. after that, who knows, depends on money, job, etc. Definitely appreciate the concern/advice/input from everyone though
Purr
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I have paid good money for showcase routines in the past but not lately. Once the routines were danced for the intended showcase, I never did them again.
I don't think I would pay money for a showcase routine again; rather, I'd spend the money on competition routines and/or technique for competition routines.
Purr
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Regarding the legality issue, the main example that comes to mind is the four step figure in international tango. I (or we) thought I was dancing a four step (silver); however, it was actually a five step (gold). The problem is now fixed.
I don't think you'll have similiar issue with your pro.
I am confused here. Do you mean you paid solely for the routine, not taking lessons with your pro to do a showcase? I am sorry, but I don't know what kind of showcase you refer here.
Also, why the routines you did in the showcase cannot be done again? Was there any particular reason for that?
etp777
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Showcase (Least, in our little corner of world here): a routine choreographed to a particular song, is not limited to syllabus patterns, generally specifically costumed for that number, may have some props (which i believe technically is then titled an exhibition). If you've ever seen Ilya and Amanda Reyzin's Austin powers showdance, that's a perfect example of what we're talking about for showcases in my world. Can't speak for Purr.
Oops, almost forgot, can also have lifts. In this case, she does half a cartwheel grabbing my leg and I catch her upside down. At least, hopefully that's what'll happen.
Oops, almost forgot, can also have lifts. In this case, she does half a cartwheel grabbing my leg and I catch her upside down. At least, hopefully that's what'll happen.