I'd rather not be part of the trial if there are other, better, personal options.
Covid-19 NON DANCE debate
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I'm kind of replying to some other posts that reference this one, but don't want to quote the one self identified as sarcasm and the others don't really have a good quote point.
The exemption of churches is pretty much required. The city doesn't want to fight a bunch of First Amendment cases in court.
Warren J. Dew
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I generally agree. In principle, I think the city could win this one, but it might not be worth the money required.
Also, I should clarify that the church I was referring to in my post about what bans were reasonable was the one in South Korea, where the first amendment situation may be different; sorry if it looked like that was a continuation of the discussion on the KC ban.
Warren J. Dew
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Governor Baker has banned gatherings of 250 or more "in a single room or single space" with a long list of overlapping exceptions. Some of the exceptions seem reasonable and others seem politically motivated, though people might differ on which are which.
www.mass.gov
I think this was particularly prompted by the possible transmission of Covid-19 to a Rhode Island boy a week ago at an NBA game when he got a basketball autographed by a player who later tested positive - though the Massachusetts health authorities claim the player was unlikely to be infectious at the time.
One of the exceptions is events that "exclude spectators". I think most NDCA competitions would be allowed under these rules if they limited spectators on Friday and Saturday night, since 250 people in the ballroom at the same time in other sessions is rare. How it would affect their economics I don't know.
I think the Yankee could still run if they limited Friday and Saturday spectators, and I hope they do.
Governor Baker Issues Order Limiting Large Gatherings in the Commonwealth
Most gatherings of over 250 people will be prohibited
www.mass.gov
I think this was particularly prompted by the possible transmission of Covid-19 to a Rhode Island boy a week ago at an NBA game when he got a basketball autographed by a player who later tested positive - though the Massachusetts health authorities claim the player was unlikely to be infectious at the time.
One of the exceptions is events that "exclude spectators". I think most NDCA competitions would be allowed under these rules if they limited spectators on Friday and Saturday night, since 250 people in the ballroom at the same time in other sessions is rare. How it would affect their economics I don't know.
I think the Yankee could still run if they limited Friday and Saturday spectators, and I hope they do.
scullystwin42
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@fiesta0618 know that there are people who appreciate you posting clear headed responses on this!
Warren J. Dew
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Interesting that you appreciate fact free borderline personal attacks.
I work in National large events all over the country. I’ve spend the last week in the most challenging professional situation of my life- meetings with CDC, WHO mass gathering alerts, advisories on immunocompromised peoples... It is NOT an overreaction. The only way to keep “a significant number of people” from not getting sick in the first place is to flatten the curve. If we do not flatten the curve, we will overload hospitals in the coming weeks and people will die.
Not not cancel events for the 4-8 weeks is tone deaf and irresponsible. They are considering bans on domestic travel. It is a national state of Emergency.
raindance
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Well, hopefully the churches will do the right thing on their own, at least most of them. In Chicago, the Archdiocese cancelled masses and Catholic schools before the city/state did the same with the schools.
The Mormons (Latter Day Saints) cancelled all services worldwide:
Latter-day Saints suspend all worship services worldwide due to coronavirus; other Utah churches cancel services, too
<b>Editor’s note •</b><i> The Salt Lake Tribune is providing readers free access to critical local stories about the coronavirus during this time of heightened concern. See more coverage </i><a href="https://www.sltrib.com/tag/coronavirus/"><i>here</i></a><i>.</i>
ProgressNotPerfection
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I did not read scully’s post that way at all. Her post #87, which said this:
linked directly to fiesta’s post #81, which said this:
Fiesta included a link to the source of his information (making it fact-full instead of fact-free). So the way I read scully’s post is that it’s thanking him for providing a factual source for the statements he posts.
The mere fact that fiesta’s post was in direct reply to your post #80 doesn’t make it a borderline personal attack on anyone. Even his statement “that is false” is not a borderline personal attack in the context of this thread, IMO...especially when it’s followed by a specific source supporting his assertion.
All that said, however, I can’t speak for scully. For all I know, maybe she DOES appreciate fact free borderline personal attacks.
More likely, though, I suspect most of us here on DF lately have uncharacteristically frayed nerves & short tempers, and therefore are possibly more inclined to be touchy (and speaking for myself: also grumpy, sarcastic, impatient, frustrated, anxious...).
Warren J. Dew
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If things are as bad as you say, they should be worrying about what works, not about tone deafness.
Some travel bans do appear to have been effective, so if they can figure out how to do it legally, I can imagine some domestic travel restrictions might be a good idea. They need to figure out how to avoid its backfiring, though; the complete lockdown of Hubei made things worse there by impeding medical assistance from the rest of the country.
Are you saying you expect things to be back to normal in as soon as 4-8 weeks? My understanding was that flattening the curve also involved pushing things out so they lasted longer?
scullystwin42
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Based on all that we’ve seen, read and the guidance we’ve been given, I’ve instructed all events in my organization nationwide through e end of May to be rescheduled to late summer or early fall.
raindance
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I don't know where you live, but you might take a look at the perspective in these links, posted by a physician. (Apologies if they've been posted in this thread before, I've lost track of what's where online these days.)
Dance in the Time of Corona: An Update – The Dancing Grapevine
www.danceplace.com
and the earlier version, from just a week earlier:
Things are changing fast in the world right now. I suspect things will look different next week. And then different again the week after. But start with the perspective in the first link and see if it applies to where you are.
Best wishes to all!
bia
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A lot of our local restaurants are adding curb-side takeout, if they didn't already have it. We'll have to make a point of doing that regularly to support them.
bia
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On testing, I read this article yesterday: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/who-gets-tested-coronavirus/607999/
One of the more concerning things I've read, so be warned to avoid if that's now what you need right now.
One of the more concerning things I've read, so be warned to avoid if that's now what you need right now.