Dancing with beginners in close embrace

#62
a few years back i wouldnt have mentioned close embrace until people could actual move around a room together and do the basic stuff; I tried it a couple of times and you just got bad dancing and a lot of toes being stepped on; now I do a combination;d do the stuff first in open then when people can do it well, and balanced and not relying on eaach other then take it into close embrace, but now some of the people are bues dancers so CE is less of a deal but they still need to shift their posture forward.
Dont you think it's good though for people to get their toes stepped on?

In open embrace you can always cheat by looking at your feet. In CE you cant. The leader has to project his movement forward and the follower has to be prepared to really step out backwards. I think getting this right at the start is crucial. Because some people dont, and then they never really get it right later on.
 

bordertangoman

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#64
I was a blues dancer and it was still a big deal. The tango embrace is much more intrusive, intense and personal than the play-sexy camp stuff people do in blues.
intense possibly but intrusive, I would hope not; if the follower is not comfortable( on an emotional/psychological level) in a close embrace with me what possibility is there of a nice dance?
 
#65
intense possibly but intrusive, I would hope not; if the follower is not comfortable( on an emotional/psychological level) in a close embrace with me what possibility is there of a nice dance?
It's a prolonged cheek to cheek, chest to chest close contact. We do not normally have that kind of physical closeness with anyone except our own children or lovers. But tango demands that level of contact, often with complete strangers. How can it seem anything other than intrusive until we learn to adjust and desensitise ourselves to it?

As with the pseudosexual contact of blues dancing we toughen ourelves up so that what might otherwise be a heightened sensual/psychological experience is utterly mundane and workaday. The opposite of what the Victorians did, in fact - their repression and prudery meant that the smallest physical contact or exposure could be invested with powerful meaning.
 
#66
It's a prolonged cheek to cheek, chest to chest close contact. We do not normally have that kind of physical closeness with anyone except our own children or lovers. But tango demands that level of contact, often with complete strangers. How can it seem anything other than intrusive until we learn to adjust and desensitise ourselves to it? .
This all reads very true to me. In fact, I have not yet 'desensitised' myself sufficiently and I sometimes worry that I will be 'found out'..:(:roll:
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bordertangoman

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#67
I was a blues dancer and it was still a big deal. The tango embrace is much more intrusive, intense and personal than the play-sexy camp stuff people do in blues.
I'm obviously dancing with a different crowd..but I know what you mean
but usually I'm trying to dance with the thumping thing inside the ribcage rather than the lumps outside it.
 

Ampster

Active Member
#68
It's a prolonged cheek to cheek, chest to chest close contact. We do not normally have that kind of physical closeness with anyone except our own children or lovers. But tango demands that level of contact, often with complete strangers. How can it seem anything other than intrusive until we learn to adjust and desensitise ourselves to it?
A chronicle of my (first time) reactions to this predicament---> Click here!
 

opendoor

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#72
Suspended

Had no real dance experience before I started TA. And in my second tango week at all (I am an autodidact and learned in milongas first) a huge woman stood up and told me that since I had done my first tango steps I should dance in close hold from now on. She picked me up and I felt almost paralyzed, my nose suspended somewhere between her boobs and my legs dangling somewhere in the nirvana, not to be about to do any step at all... When I was put down on earth I realy felt relieved. Dancing with beginners today I actually introduce it the soft way now: changing embrace to and fro fluently within a dance from close to open and to beginners´frame. Think it is important for a follower to learn, that the man´s shoulder is a slide. And I think it is also important to show a (female) beginner how to use the left palm when she does not want to dance that closely with someone.
 

Peaches

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#75
Now thinking of the term I heard somewhere, probably here on D-F: interlocking boobies.

Gotta say, having danced with a woman leader a few times...it's kinda tricky. Boobs have something of a muffling effect on the lead. Mine are big enough...add in another girl's, and it can be kinda difficult to feel what's going on. OTOH, I've danced with women leaders who are small and slim and *ahem* not so gifted *ahem* and it's easier to feel the lead, but they also feel so...breakable. Granted it's the same as dancing with a very small, slim guy...who also just feels breakable.

(What can I say? I'm very self-conscious about my size--both boob-wise and otherwise. But it can, actually, affect how physically pleasant a dance feels.)
 

Ampster

Active Member
#76
Now thinking of the term I heard somewhere, probably here on D-F: interlocking boobies.

Gotta say, having danced with a woman leader a few times...it's kinda tricky. Boobs have something of a muffling effect on the lead. Mine are big enough...add in another girl's, and it can be kinda difficult to feel what's going on. OTOH, I've danced with women leaders who are small and slim and *ahem* not so gifted *ahem* and it's easier to feel the lead, but they also feel so...breakable. Granted it's the same as dancing with a very small, slim guy...who also just feels breakable.

(What can I say? I'm very self-conscious about my size--both boob-wise and otherwise. But it can, actually, affect how physically pleasant a dance feels.)
I actually find it harder to dance with a well endowed woman for the same reason Peaches outlines.

IMHE, they're like shock absorbers that muffle the lead. In order to compensate for that, one needs to adjust their lead to be more deliberate, very slightly longer in duration, and with a little bit more commitment.
 

Subliminal

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#77
Have Argentinian women got some unusual feature in the chest department that we poor European ladies do not possess?
I've heard they're like magnets, on account of being so close to the south pole. You get two ladies of opposing polarity trying to dance together and things go flying everywhere.
 

Peaches

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#80
I've heard they're like magnets, on account of being so close to the south pole. You get two ladies of opposing polarity trying to dance together and things go flying everywhere.
Er...wouldn't that be two women of the same polarity? Opposing polarity = attraction, no? Or do I just have a completely different metal image going on of what you meant (it's very amusing regardless).
 

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