Double Reverse Spin in Waltz

standardgirl

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If anyone has the ISTD ballroom technique book, in the book for the third step (lady) of the double reverse spin in waltz, it says "right foot to the side and slightly back." (this is the step after the heel turn) But I have noticed that we actually do "right foot to the side and FORWARD" (sometimes, just forward, not even to the side) instead of what's written on the book - back. Any idea?
 
In the book they are trying to break down one movement into several pieces: feet positions, alingments, amount of turn and so on. You can't take the feet positions and use just them, without looking at all those other things. And the only way to satisfy all the requirements (alingments, amount of turn) is to do it as you describe: forward. alingments are telling you where in what direction in the room the steps go (and they refer to feet alingments); and feet positions, as I understand, refer to feet position relative to each other more than to directions in which you are moving.

I feel that to understand what the book says one needs some experience with the book, and previous knowledge of the figure or knowledge of other (similar) figures. The book is tricky, but that is because it is difficult to break down movement into parts in an organized manner.

as for experience thing, you can look up that the book says often to the side when it is really what we know as forward (well, they are referring to feet positions and when we say forward we mean that the direction of movement of the step was forward, so we are just taling about different things).

you can also compare what they say about a step that you know to what they say about the step that you don't know, and that can help with interpretation:
look at what it says in the book for reverse turn:
4 LF forward
5 RF to the side
6 LF closes to RF
is step 5 really to the side? we think of it as forward, but the book says to the side. If it was really to the side, then starting step 4 facing LOD you'd finish step 5 also facing LOD, but really you end backing wall or DW, so somewhere between 4 and 5 you turn, and you should end up with your RF to the side from your left foot, but the overall direction your body moved was forward...

Anyway, keep in mind that they are referring to strictly feet positions in the first column...
 
I basically agree with Kitty: In reverse turn, the second step starts out forward, but ends up side. The step direction column in the book is a snapshot of results - you have to figure out the methods on your own, using clues from the other columns.

I don't have my copy of the book in front of me, but it sounds like this 3rd step of the DRS starts out somewhat forward and ends somewhat back, with an obvious element of sideways. An important detail is that the body continues to turn off the left ball of foot as you prepare to take this step. Trying it under less than ideal condidtions (not my part, barefoot, on carpet) it feels like I've rotated to the point where I'm going almost purely sideways by the time I actually achieve any substnatial leg division. But it still feels forward.
 
I concur with what Kitty and Chris said: the book is telling you the end result, not how to execute it. The end result is a side and slightly back step, you just stepped forward and pivoted to get there.

This is why you can't learn to dance from a book! :D
 
You could say that the book isn't there to teach you to dance, it's there as a checklist to verify where you should be at certain points.

Though once you get familiar with it, it does have both implicit and explicit clues on how to get there - for example, "CBM" tells you something you need to _do_ so that the _next_ step will work right.
 

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