LatinDancer006
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DWTS Season 5 - Week 6
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chachachacat
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I don't know what you mean by "age card." Aging is not a card, it's a robber that steals your beauty and ruins your body. I wouldn't want to compete against people in their prime, no foxtrottin' way!
Jane and Marie are incredibly brave to even try. Yes, moreso than the older men, who always get by with cute routines.
Jane and Marie are incredibly brave to even try. Yes, moreso than the older men, who always get by with cute routines.
I wanted to comment on this because if I remember correctly, Kelly Monaco called herself an underdog. She was playing the underdog card even though others did not have dance experience at that time as well. Joey at the time I believe had the most dance experience.
anp73ga31
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"race card" "age card" "gender card" "injury card" "sympathy card" etc. just expressions referring to the excuses and reasons the stars give as to why they are being persecuted by the judges, etc. thats all we mean by that. of course age is not a card.
As for Jane and Marie, they knew what they were getting into going in; its not like they havent seen the previous seasons or been told what kind of a show it is and what will be expected of them. At any rate, I just think its not necessary to go around saying things like "are they trying to get rid of the old one?" "I dont have dolls like marie" "....those like Mel who can walk around and pat pat the judges on the head and get 10s" "what about edyta and all HER lifts?" and other unnecessary very unclassy comments Jane has been making lately. I agree with a former poster who said that Tony seems to infect his partners with the "its me and her against the world" syndrome and makes them think they are way better than they actually are, to the point of them feeling persecuted when they dont get 10s every time. I'm just disappointed in Jane as a whole because I was so excited about her being on the show and was voting for her etc, until she and Tony started with the attitude. Turns me off entirely...
SlowDancer
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I agree with you. I'm Jane's age and was very excited about her participation the first few weeks, but I'm surprised and disappointed about some of her recent catty comments. She's supposed to be a mature, classy lady but bad-mouthing her fellow competitors is anything but. She really "deserved" to be booted off this week.
I really don't understand people who have such an unrealistic, inflated view of themselves and their abilities. If she wonders why she didn't get 10s this week, she only needs to review a video of her performance. I thought the judges were actually quite generous.
I really don't understand people who have such an unrealistic, inflated view of themselves and their abilities. If she wonders why she didn't get 10s this week, she only needs to review a video of her performance. I thought the judges were actually quite generous.
Don't know whether you guys realise it - but Bruno has no Ballroom dancing credentials either.......
Just like the UKS show, the ONLY judge with any experience and qualifications in the field is LEN!
Of our judging panel, 3 are show dance choreographersin the West End, and of the 3 Bruno is the least successful and well known
Just like the UKS show, the ONLY judge with any experience and qualifications in the field is LEN!
Of our judging panel, 3 are show dance choreographersin the West End, and of the 3 Bruno is the least successful and well known
anp73ga31
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the fact that the music doesnt match the dances most of the time. But dont get me started on THAT.
islandia55
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Begging to differ
And Len Goodman said, "Although the performance was excellent, it was too HARD, it was too AGGRESSIVE..." (hand gestures and facial contortions omitted)
Sabrina and Mark had to dance to Peggy Lee's "I'm A Woman". To my ear this was played and sung as a hard, aggressive, gritty number as it should have been. I think Mark Ballas's hard and aggressive choreography matched the character of the music very well. And I think Sabrina danced Mark's choreography very well. It was the music that was out of character with the foxtrot as described at the ABC website:
http://abc.go.com/primetime/dancingwiththestars/index?pn=aboutdances#t=0&d=23695
Which brings me to the commonly held disdain in this forum for the often abysmal music selections on this show. If the judges want a smooth, elegant and romantic foxtrot, then why should the dancers be burdened with music that is just the opposite. Oops, I beat a dead horse!
And Len Goodman said, "Although the performance was excellent, it was too HARD, it was too AGGRESSIVE..." (hand gestures and facial contortions omitted)
Sabrina and Mark had to dance to Peggy Lee's "I'm A Woman". To my ear this was played and sung as a hard, aggressive, gritty number as it should have been. I think Mark Ballas's hard and aggressive choreography matched the character of the music very well. And I think Sabrina danced Mark's choreography very well. It was the music that was out of character with the foxtrot as described at the ABC website:
http://abc.go.com/primetime/dancingwiththestars/index?pn=aboutdances#t=0&d=23695
Which brings me to the commonly held disdain in this forum for the often abysmal music selections on this show. If the judges want a smooth, elegant and romantic foxtrot, then why should the dancers be burdened with music that is just the opposite. Oops, I beat a dead horse!
anp73ga31
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Mark's choreography was perfectly fine. It was the way she whipped her head around in latin type style and jerked her body around same way during the dance. She's a dancer...If someone woudl have just shown her a foxtrot video(no one has ever said thats not allowed) or explained to her about smoothness from one move to the next I feel she would have done a perfect job. But she just never got the whole smooth transition thing, and as result, to me it looked like heres a move, BAM! heres another move, BAM! Instead of, heres a move aaaannnd heres another move aaannnd heres another move merged together. I dunno...I'm certainly not qualified to try to describe it but I know foxtrot enough to have looked at it going, "no, no no, thats sooo not it!"
And of course the music mostly sucks, with a random match to the style that surprises us all.
Mark's choreography was perfectly fine. It was the way she whipped her head around in latin type style and jerked her body around same way during the dance. She's a dancer...If someone woudl have just shown her a foxtrot video(no one has ever said thats not allowed) or explained to her about smoothness from one move to the next I feel she would have done a perfect job. But she just never got the whole smooth transition thing, and as result, to me it looked like heres a move, BAM! heres another move, BAM! Instead of, heres a move aaaannnd heres another move aaannnd heres another move merged together. I dunno...I'm certainly not qualified to try to describe it but I know foxtrot enough to have looked at it going, "no, no no, thats sooo not it!"
And of course the music mostly sucks, with a random match to the style that surprises us all.
I agree with you that the music was not the problem nor was it the choreography. In my opinion, it was the way that Sabrina would present herself during her routines (meaning she was far tooo hard and hardly any emotion). I'm sure that she was under stress. But it wasn't just this dance, it was some of the other dances that she did as well.
gingerbread
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On a much different level obviously, as she is a professional, I have always found Cheryl Burke's dancing too hard, not just the ballroom, but even the Latin. She tends to punch everything, and, while many of you praised the dance she and Louis did this week, I even found Louis' dancing too hard. Sorry, I love him too, but I would imagine his coaches, when he was competing, would not have liked that dance, no light andf shade, everything hard and fast. My favorite foxtrot of the year was actually on SYTYCD, when Danny danced.
And I agree with all your coments about Jane Seymour. She started off such an elegant and sophisticated woman and has thrown all that away with her whining. Maybe it is Tony's influence, I have no idea.
And I agree with all your coments about Jane Seymour. She started off such an elegant and sophisticated woman and has thrown all that away with her whining. Maybe it is Tony's influence, I have no idea.
I think Tony’s partners have DIVA written all over them.
Stacy- the WWE Diva
Sara – the country music Diva
Jane – the Queen of all Divas
He is a bit of a divo himself as well, but I like him.
If you look at Sabrina and Mark's foxtrot there were plenty of times where they intentionally showed a softer, more flowing quality.
I think that Sabrina gets penalized because her ability to do sharp, direct movements is so strong. None of the other stars on any season have been able to come close to her strength and speed and so it takes people by surprise. I thought that the instances where Sabrina and Mark chose to showcase her speed and strength in the foxtrot were appropriate to the music and were consistent the the dynamic quality of her partners movement.
As for why they got voted off I tend to think two things happened:
1. It is never good to come out of the gate super strong on these shows. People like to see some "arch" in your storyline on the show with you overcoming at least one obstacle so they can connect with your vulnerability (especially as a woman). This can be seen quite well with Jennie and Derek. The fall incident really helped people connect with her and get behind her. If you look at both DWTS and SYTYCD, the favorites who come out strong the first week and consistently do well from week to week never win (i.e. Mario Lopez, Stacey Keibler, Alison Holker).
2. On a related note, not being able to display that vulnerability makes even your fans complacent when it comes to voting. Seems like all the voters just assumed that the elimination was between Jane and Marie so they rallied behind their favorites between those two. The result was both of them ended up being safe and of the remaining stars, the ones with the lowest judges scores ended up in the bottom two. This happened in our household when my sister who is a big Sabrina fan voted for Jane with all her votes hoping to send Marie home.
I think that Sabrina gets penalized because her ability to do sharp, direct movements is so strong. None of the other stars on any season have been able to come close to her strength and speed and so it takes people by surprise. I thought that the instances where Sabrina and Mark chose to showcase her speed and strength in the foxtrot were appropriate to the music and were consistent the the dynamic quality of her partners movement.
As for why they got voted off I tend to think two things happened:
1. It is never good to come out of the gate super strong on these shows. People like to see some "arch" in your storyline on the show with you overcoming at least one obstacle so they can connect with your vulnerability (especially as a woman). This can be seen quite well with Jennie and Derek. The fall incident really helped people connect with her and get behind her. If you look at both DWTS and SYTYCD, the favorites who come out strong the first week and consistently do well from week to week never win (i.e. Mario Lopez, Stacey Keibler, Alison Holker).
2. On a related note, not being able to display that vulnerability makes even your fans complacent when it comes to voting. Seems like all the voters just assumed that the elimination was between Jane and Marie so they rallied behind their favorites between those two. The result was both of them ended up being safe and of the remaining stars, the ones with the lowest judges scores ended up in the bottom two. This happened in our household when my sister who is a big Sabrina fan voted for Jane with all her votes hoping to send Marie home.
chica latina
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If I could go back, I would have voted... I always look forward to watch Mark and Sabrina's number.... she's extremely talented but I need to agree that she lacked some fluidity sometimes.... it's good to have speed and power on your legs and some overall moves but the body should be more fluid & continuous like music is.
chachabelle
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You know, I've always thought Cheryl is a "hard" dancer. Don't get me wrong, I love her, but I've been reluctant to speak up and say anything as I've never heard it mentioned and thought it was just my imagination.