Early private

Ron Obvious

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I'm a salsa dancer that's just begun ballroom, basic course. My partner is much more experienced and wants us to go to private lessons already. I told her I think it's way too early, as I have only been to 3 weeks of group classes. Still, she keeps insisting.

Is there something I don't get, are private lessons a routinary thing in ballroom? In salsa they would function as a way to improve details when you already have a good command of the basic step.

Basically, I think privates are a waste of time and money at this point.
 
Privates are a great way to get "more" out of the technique, shaping, drive, etc etc. If your not ready for a private and she is, possibly the two of you can discuss a goal, that is, say, hmmm, for every so many group lessons, 5, 6, 10 whatever the choice, you would be willing to take a private. The private will definately give you focus on the thing you want to work on out of your group lessons. My partner and I did the same thing. He had a load of experience and I did not. Because your partner has experience already - it's important that the two of you discuss this. As your ballroom dance progresses you will find the privates a good tool and it also depends on the instructor as well. Have fun!
 
Is there something I don't get, are private lessons a routinary thing in ballroom?

Yes, private lessons are a routine thing in the ballroom world. How routine depends on your goals. If you're only interested in surviving social dancing, then you can probably wait a bit. If you want to become an adept or expert social dancer, or have any interest in competition, you should always include a mix of private lessons with your group classes, at whatever rate your resources allow, while keeping in mind that resources include not only money but the time for the lessons and to practice them.

While salsa does have a great deal of technique in it, much of the technique in ballroom is subtler. If you do only group classes not only will you miss out on much of that technique, but you can build in bad habits that you must later spend a good deal of time and money correcting. Investing in private lessons early with a good teacher, along with diligent practice of what you work on in those lessons, is the best way to prevent this.

In salsa they would function as a way to improve details when you already have a good command of the basic step.

That's one of the functions private lessons can have, but not the only function. In my article, "Getting the Most From Your Private Lessons," I talk about making sure you have a goal when you walk into a lesson. If you've been dancing salsa for awhile and have had the pleasure of learning from high quality teachers, I'm sure you're aware that a good teacher can spend an hour teaching a step you already know, even the basic step, and make it not only fun and interesting but useful and improve the entire dance. Because of the aforementioned subtleties in ballroom, you will experience this to an even greater degree. Based on my own experience, it's not uncommon for me after I learn a new technique to ask my instructors to go over the entire beginner syllabus with me to make sure I'm including that technique in all my old steps - especially the basic!

My recommendation, especially for beginners, is to spend their private lessons going over the material covered in the group classes. This ensures not only that you'll remember the material each week, but will move you toward mastery of the material.

Basically, I think privates are a waste of time and money at this point.

I hesitate to bring this up as I can almost guarantee I'm going to offend some salseros out there, but I suspect that this has a lot to do with having had bad teachers in the past. Unfortunately for the salsa world, due to the nature of the community it is quite possible for an adept dancer to excel and develop a reputation as an excellent dancer without being completely trained. Consequently, many of the salsa teachers out there are people who are good dancers but A) don't know how to teach and B) only have limited experience with their partner's role. Lessons with these teachers are, by and large, a waste of money outside of a few specific areas (these teachers tend to be very good at choreography, club styling, and having an elaborate repertoire of moves, for example). Compare this with a master salsa teacher who can not only teach patterns - and has as much to say to men as he does to women, and vice versa - but can also teach technique, arm styling, hip motion, adjustments for a social floor vs. competitive floor, put together sequences for social dancing or competition, choreogrpahy performance, and demonstrate everything superbly. There is no comparisson!

Finally, keep in mind that your partner has more experience with ballroom than you do. Your experience with salsa is quite valuable and will make the learning process for ballroom easier, as well as give you the experience to provide critical feedback and opinions on how the lessons are progressing, but remember to give appropriate weight to her opinion. I'd suggest scheduling a single private lesson with an instructor before comitting one way or another. From there you can decide how much you need from the lessons, you can examine your time and budget, and decide how you want to progress.

Good luck and welcome to the world of ballroom!
 
Ron, it depends upon your goal.
If you are interested in social dancing, then i believe the most important work right now is to practice the basic step for each dance so it becomes second nature. So daily, a few minutes of solo practice is necessary. To learn from private or group lessons at this point is a personal and financial decision. After you learn the basics, privates become much more productive.

If you want to compete, then privates will help develop good technique from the start. I don't compete; others on this forum will chime in on that option.
 
Basically, I think privates are a waste of time and money at this point.

I know what you mean.

There are many ways to look at it.

Personally, once I got my feet under me in ballroom, it seemed to me that the best value is to combine occasional private lessons with consistent practice and group class attendance.

I do think that you're right that private lessons are not the best place to get familiar with steps/figures/patterns.
 
I'm a salsa dancer that's just begun ballroom, basic course. My partner is much more experienced and wants us to go to private lessons already. I told her I think it's way too early, as I have only been to 3 weeks of group classes. Still, she keeps insisting.

For what it's worth, I took group lessons for about 6 months before taking my first private lesson. So 3 weeks doesn't really feel like enough time to grasp all you can from group lessons. But, I didn't have any other dance experience and I didn't have a partner.

Basically, I think privates are a waste of time and money at this point.

Depending on how quickly you pick up choreography and can focus on technique, and how much time you have for practice, and what your goals are, they may or may not be a waste. Perhaps you could try them with a light schedule like every other week for a couple months, and see how it goes. Try learning choreography in the group lessons, and take that to the private lesson to improve on it, and repeat all you learned in the practices.

And your partner's wishes should play some role in this decision as well. You do dance together after all.
 
Basically, I think privates are a waste of time and money at this point.

If you can get a GOOD teacher (I mean VERY good), then privates will never be a waste of time or money. You will develop many bad habits in the course of your dancing, especially in group classes. If you get an average or substandard dance teacher (there are many), then it will most definitely be a waste of money.
 
For what it's worth, I took group lessons for about 6 months before taking my first private lesson. So 3 weeks doesn't really feel like enough time to grasp all you can from group lessons... AAnd your partner's wishes should play some role in this decision as well. You do dance together after all.
The first is true, but the second is also important.

The partner's time has value too, trying to squeeze every last drop out of group lessons alone sets a pace that spends the partner's (dancing/waiting) time unwisely.
 
Is there something I don't get, are private lessons a routinary thing in ballroom? In salsa they would function as a way to improve details when you already have a good command of the basic step.

Basically, I think privates are a waste of time and money at this point.

as others have said, yes, they're common... depending on what you want to do and how you want to approach your learning. if you deem them a waste of your time and money at this point, then don't do them.

personally, i jumped into privates immediately as a completely newb dancer, with no dance experience of any kind whatsoever. i found them highly valuable, and i don't regret a penny (tho they cost far more than that...:rolleyes:)
 
If you can get a GOOD teacher (I mean VERY good), then privates will never be a waste of time or money. You will develop many bad habits in the course of your dancing, especially in group classes. If you get an average or substandard dance teacher (there are many), then it will most definitely be a waste of money.

I totally agree with Josh's comments. Privates with a good teacher could get you started in right direction and help avoid acquiring bad habits. Big problem is finding a good teacher. You'd probably have to do a lot of asking around. Depending on where you live, maybe could ask for some recommendations here on DF.
 
I agree with Josh and Pruthe. In fact I come at it from the totally opposite side from the OP--I did ONLY privates at first, and still consider group as supplementary only and things that get taken if it's convenient, while privates are necessary to learn. (But again, I also may be coming at it from two other sports, skating and riding, where serious students don't do group lessons often, or at all once you're past the most basic stages, so my expectations are culturally a little different.)
 
I think that it's a little early to start taking privates if you don't know that you actually enjoy ballroom dancing yet. If you are already pretty sure that you like doing it and you want to get better faster (and obviously more expensive in terms of time+money) then go for privates. I think if you're still trying it out and you don't know how much you actually like this type of dancing (and anyone's who been dancing for a while you've all seen ppl start up and then drop off depending on their level of interest), then wait until you think that "ok this is something where I really like it and want to get better at etc" and have some better formed goals or decide that you want to compete or not compete etc. If you have limited resources and you're not sure that you want to spend them (time/$/etc) on this type of dancing, I wouldn't let your partner pressure you into doing so bc you might eventually decide/realize ballroom isn't really interesting to you. It's fair to try it out via group classes first before committing significantly more resources in privates.

Keep in mind of course that you are also talking to a bunch of ppl who are all self selected really interested in ballroom =) and a lot of us spend a bunch of time/effort/$ into this bc we like it.
 
Define "much more experienced."

Your partner probably wants to advance her own dancing too, which can be difficult, a) in group lessons with you, and b) with a lower-level partner.
 
the best way to feel more confident in a group setting is to take dprivates, even with an instructor of moderately good skill, you are going to come away with a better sense of how to do things...just my view
 
I have not attended a group class in maybe 5 or 6 years. For a husband and wife AM couple it is expensive. Two group classs, paying as a individual for us is the same as one priviate. Previously I just could not justify the cost of a group.

After switching studios and watching a technique Standard class we decided to join. It has been great. I either know the steps or can pick them up very quickly as a result of our priviates. All of my concentration is on the instructor as he works on a technique. I have no stuff or fears roaming around in the back of my head like I am not going to get this step, or I will not be able to follow once we start to rotate partners. After 4 weeks of this I can say that each week I come home with an insight I did not have before and can apply it the following week in practice. Long story short, I now will say that doing both priviates and group can be a real benefit.
 

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