Emphasized pauses and jerky moves in your community?

[Multidancer]

IMO the performers can survive only if the crowd appreciates their dance so their freedom is actually quite limited.

I have never seen a crowd not appreciate a performance. The usual performance format when milonga is stopped is 3 dances. Then the crowd keeps on clapping until the performers return and dance the fourth. It all is like a farce. There are times I don't know why the crowd is clapping for the fourth dance.

There are very few performances that I like.

We have had a few leaders (non-performers) with this style at milongas for maybe two years - it is not just a spice here and there, but the whole tandas are like this.

Are they copy cats ?

Is your posting indicating that this is not happening at the milongas you visit?

No. I have not seen it. In my not so humble opinion most present day Tango dancers suck at dancing milongas. I will say only very few in the ronda are dancing to milonga during a tanda. The rest seem to be dancing tango.

It is utterly delightful if you find a follower who can dance to milonga tanda.

DNI an argentine tango school with filials in other countries https://dni-tango.com/?lang=en
(I do not know why they are not available for you; maybe some music origin conflict for your region)

Had never heard of DNI before.

 

[ArbeeNYC]

I have never seen a crowd not appreciate a performance. The usual performance format when milonga is stopped is 3 dances. Then the crowd keeps on clapping until the performers return and dance the fourth. It all is like a farce. There are times I don't know why the crowd is clapping for the fourth dance.

There are very few performances that I like.

Here, I see mostly two dances, then insane clapping and "otra!" over and over again until they come out for a third. Never seen four. Even three is more than enough. Once in a while I'll see something I like.

Concerning the milonga comment. True most dancers I see dance milongas very badly--the men don't lead and the women don't follow. But concerning them dancing "tango" to milonga, are you confusing milonga traspie with milonga lissa?

 

[Multidancer]

Here, I see mostly two dances, then insane clapping and "otra!" over and over again until they come out for a third. Never seen four. Even three is more than enough. Once in a while I'll see something I like.

Concerning the milonga comment. True most dancers I see dance milongas very badly--the men don't lead and the women don't follow. But concerning them dancing "tango" to milonga, are you confusing milonga traspie with milonga lissa?

Sometimes two, sometimes three. Three was more common than two for me. Yes insane clapping and "otra" It doesn't matter who is performing. It is a reflex action of part of the crowd. Would performers have a heart attack if the crowd didn't respond that way

No, I am not confusing lisa and traspie. There is no difference in their dancing whether they are dancing a Tango Tanda or Milonga Tanda. For those types their dancing doesn't reflect the milonga music.

 

[Gssh]

Hmm - i am somewhat neutral on this. For performances it makes a lot of sense - it would be impossible to dance full speed like that for a whole song, and if you need a breath and recalibrate why not emphasize the break. Not sure if this applies in any way to social dancing - the ronda will dictate the overall pulse, and very likely will not support a fast-slow-fast aesthetic like this. Fast needs to be small, and slow needs to mostly keep moving steadily in the line of dance to keep the ronda smoothly moving overall. Dancing behind somebody who did this in a ronda would be somewhat like driving behind a beginner who has not figured out how to use the clutch, and being in front could be a bit unpleasant, too, as the space would wildly expand and contract. OTOH, if the whole ronda did it it might be interesting, but i don't think there is a song that is strongly textured enough to force dynamics like that? (maybe some of the electronic neo tango pieces would fit the bill?)

 

[Rabbit]

OTOH, if the whole ronda did it it might be interesting, but i don't think there is a song that is strongly textured enough to force dynamics like that? (maybe some of the electronic neo tango pieces would fit the bill?)

Este es el Rey? or as a less extreme example the pauses in the d'Arienzo Cumparsita?

 

[Rabbit]

No. I have not seen it. In my not so humble opinion most present day Tango dancers suck at dancing milongas. I will say only very few in the ronda are dancing to milonga during a tanda. The rest seem to be dancing tango.

It is utterly delightful if you find a follower who can dance to milonga tanda.

It's the same with vals - even in performances most couples don't express the musical phrasing.

 

[tangoneon]

Someone mentioned this thread to me so I had to log back in to add my two bits! First off, I've gone to DNI and I don't think this is a 'style' that they're teaching. If anything it resembles the musicality of Horacio Godoy, who runs La Viruta. He's great to take musicality classes from if you're ever down in BA on a Friday night when he's in town. Here's how he does this 'jerky' style: <>
Which I think is awesome. I love the changes of tempo. His attention to the music is really at a microscopic level; in his classes he'll replay the same section of a song over and over and focus on how to differentiate one phrase vs. the next.
And! The pause between the two ideas.
But I would argue that rather than a novelty, these couples at the top of the thread (and Horacio) are harkening back to the proto-tango... the canyengue. Which is a whole 'nother thread. Like, compare this clip to the Naveira/Sanchez video, and you'll see the similarities (in between their added nuevo elements):
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or if you want to go back further in the 'jerky/pausing style': <>
Normally people dance this 'old' style to 'old' music; I've known dancers to alter their dance like chameleons to the vintage of the recording. Matchie-matchie.
That's some higher-level so what, yo.

 

[LadyLeader]

Someone mentioned this thread to me so I had to log back in to add my two bits! First off, I've gone to DNI and I don't think this is a 'style' that they're teaching. If anything it resembles the musicality of Horacio Godoy, who runs La Viruta. He's great to take musicality classes from if you're ever down in BA on a Friday night when he's in town. Here's how he does this 'jerky' style: <>
Which I think is awesome. I love the changes of tempo. His attention to the music is really at a microscopic level; in his classes he'll replay the same section of a song over and over and focus on how to differentiate one phrase vs. the next.
And! The pause between the two ideas.
But I would argue that rather than a novelty, these couples at the top of the thread (and Horacio) are harkening back to the proto-tango... the canyengue. Which is a whole 'nother thread. Like, compare this clip to the Naveira/Sanchez video, and you'll see the similarities (in between their added nuevo elements):
<>
or if you want to go back further in the 'jerky/pausing style': <>
Normally people dance this 'old' style to 'old' music; I've known dancers to alter their dance like chameleons to the vintage of the recording. Matchie-matchie.
That's some higher-level so what, yo.

I agree that Horacio Godoy has been dancing in this way a long time; sharp moves and maximum length on stops but still managing the music beautifully.

To me canyengue doesn't feel the same. They land to the pauses quite softly and the stops are not so frequent or prominent.

You are right about the DNI as a school. They focus on teaching the core technic to dancers. On other hand I think that the school gives a highlight on their teachers and makes them more attractive compared to ordinary visiting dancers.

Do you see this kind of dancing at your local milongas?

 

[LadyLeader]

One week thinking of this way of dancing, seems to have had an impact on my experience. When I watched them again today even the milonga is ok now!

One way of seeing this could be that they seem to maximize the pauses so the time free leg travels is minimized. The free leg is moved on a straight line not on a round one. Turns are sharp not soft or round..

If architecture it could be the bauhaus style: jump to 6.10

Strict boxes!

 

[ArbeeNYC]

Which I think is awesome. I love the changes of tempo. His attention to the music is really at a microscopic level; in his classes he'll replay the same section of a song over and over and focus on how to differentiate one phrase vs. the next.

Really dislike Godoy's dancing, although it sounds like his musicality class could be useful. The canyengue thing is cute but I've seen better interpretations. The Cachafaz? Feh. It's a show piece. The herky-jerky thing strikes me as antithetical to tango.

 

[Rabbit]

Really dislike Godoy's dancing, although it sounds like his musicality class could be useful.

I quite like it as a performance (I don't know how he dances in a milonga) - he has his own unique style of movement that works for him and his rhythm is very much on point.

 

[Bailango]

Someone mentioned this thread to me so I had to log back in to add my two bits! First off, I've gone to DNI and I don't think this is a 'style' that they're teaching. If anything it resembles the musicality of Horacio Godoy, who runs La Viruta. He's great to take musicality classes from if you're ever down in BA on a Friday night when he's in town. Here's how he does this 'jerky' style: <>

I actually like what I see. Wouldn't categorise as jerky. Think it can easily be danced socially too.

 

[dchester]

Someone mentioned this thread to me so I had to log back in to add my two bits! First off, I've gone to DNI and I don't think this is a 'style' that they're teaching. If anything it resembles the musicality of Horacio Godoy, who runs La Viruta. He's great to take musicality classes from if you're ever down in BA on a Friday night when he's in town. Here's how he does this 'jerky' style: <>
Which I think is awesome. I love the changes of tempo. His attention to the music is really at a microscopic level; in his classes he'll replay the same section of a song over and over and focus on how to differentiate one phrase vs. the next.

I'm a big fan of Horacio Godoy (both his teaching and dancing). He is a tango historian. I think he has created a unique style though, (with elements from a variety of styles).

 

[newbie]

I can't remember Pablo y Dana dancing like the demo in the original post.