Encuentros.. Please explain. thx

The most common injury source is, by far, back steps done in sharp heels with bad technique (IE - abruptly putting all your weight on it.)
Ban stiletto heels! Simples:cool:
the rules should probably say something about that...
The rules? Whose rules? You'd expect common sense to prevail, but it doesn't. Ought to be part of teaching (it was in ours). And where do you post this set of commandments? Or get buy-in to this 'contract'? Better education would achieve far more.
 
Apparently in old BsAs days, tango was not the only dance at milongas. Also heard that during cortinas, Argentinians would dance other dances (primary rock, which is what jive/swing is called in BsAs).
Right, but even more so... Tango orchestras would alternate with Swing/jazz orchestras at one time. Later on, as related by Gustavo Benzecry Sabá, you had to be able to dance both AT and rock n roll. Had fun dancing swing for a short time at last year's Valentango. (might have been the only ones on the floor at that time)
 
Right, but even more so... Tango orchestras would alternate with Swing/jazz orchestras at one time. Later on, as related by Gustavo Benzecry Sabá, you had to be able to dance both AT and rock n roll. Had fun dancing swing for a short time at last year's Valentango. (might have been the only ones on the floor at that time)
Live music is obviously different as the orchestra played their set rather than the DJ choosing something. And AT radio shows for the US gave a cortina of adverts. So music presentation evolved.

Some venues attempt to present that live orchestra feel, but encuentros probably more(!) oriented towards the hardened dancer who expects some rules of AT presentation.
 
Had fun dancing swing for a short time at last year's Valentango. (might have been the only ones on the floor at that time)
Didn't get a sense that folks that dance other dances are comfortable dancing extensively at the cortinas, specially at events like Valentango. I see a lot of tango dancers at West Coast Swing / Fusion / Salsa events in Portland, but what I've seen is that folks mostly stick to tango at places like Berretin or Director's Park. The other dances are more open to have tango moves in them but doesn't feel like the other way around. Only at house parties that are like alt tango and zouk or at events like New Year's party where they put a lot of other music do people open up their other dance styles.
 
I think there simply aren't enough dancers (dance couples) here who can dance several dance styles proficiently, or at least not embarrass themselves.

Perhaps it's due to the complexity. At the dance school I attended as a teenager, you could learn a ballroom "World Dance Program," and after two years of weekly lessons, you were considered a good dancer at ballroom events (which were rare even back then). Today "Tango Argentino" is included, "Salsa" also. That's roughly 80-120 hours for 10 dances, which works out to 8-12 hours of group instruction per style. You can't get very far with tango that way. I don't actually know anyone who has learned Tango halfway decently that way ... and also not Salsa.
 
..I think there simply aren't enough dancers ..here who can dance several dance styles proficiently..
As you know, I have a contrary opinion on this. I've voiced it many times and always encountered rejection. Meanwhile I see that more as confirmation that I was right. If you open your eyes, you'll find tango dancers who actually also dance salsa, lindy, bachata, Brazilian dances, or balfolk. But admittedly, it's a subculture.
Why is that this way? To put it in a nutshell:
Tango attracts the unmusical! Why is there so much talk about musicality in tango? Answer: because marcato en 4 isn't a challenge at all. Primarily, the tango crowd wants to cuddle on the floor, embrace the opposite (or same) sex, and dream. For the typical tango dancer, the music is a secondary consideration. Folks, I've been DJing intensively in Hamburg and the neighboring city of Lübeck for several years now. I've tried many things and conducted experiments: for the majority of the scene, the music remains secondary! You can play well-composed or badly composed tangos: they'll always jump onto the dance floor. You can put on well-made or lousy digitized tracks, they'll always start with the mirada before the first bar. You can play Pugliese or Biagi for them, they'll always dance the same way. You can repeat the same piece three times a night, nobody, absolutely nobody, will notice. The tango crowd cannot understand that salsa is more demanding than tango! They simply lack musical depth.
Believe me, tango dancing appeals to simple souls. Thats the reason why you rarely find multi-skilled dancers in our rows.
I don't want to seem bitter, and this isn't a retreat either. But ever since my first tango step, I've been asking myself: what comes after tango?
 
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Tango attracts the unmusical! Why is there so much talk about musicality in tango? Answer: because marcato en 4 isn't a challenge at all.
You can say the same about any social dance in isolation. Salsa dancers argue about the 1 or 2 and don't really understand when I ask "why not both?"

Why does this happen? Because tango or salsa in isolation isn't enough training material to understand music, much less if you adhere firmly to one sub-style. Whoever studies too narrow a set of training material will just train a bunch of artificial patterns, most of which are either incorrect or don't generalize. Worse, do that for 5, 10 or 20 years and it creates an illusion of expertise.
 
Didn't get a sense that folks that dance other dances are comfortable dancing extensively at the cortinas, specially at events like Valentango. I see a lot of tango dancers at West Coast Swing / Fusion / Salsa events in Portland, but what I've seen is that folks mostly stick to tango at places like Berretin or Director's Park.
But this goes with the códigos: Thou shallt clear the dancefloor during the cortina or Thou shallt not dance other dances beyond 'tango' at a milonga - which some hold to strictly as the law which must be upheld (and the cause of the issue referred to). If you're aware of divisions within the church, it's not dissimilar, particularly amongst minor sects.

At some more relaxed and less strict milongas, people do dance other dances if the music is appropriate. Typically salsa, but also seen waltz and foxtrot (and sometimes to applause). Wouldn't expect that at an encuentro.
 
Tango attracts the unmusical!
There's a tiny grain of truth there. More that AT accepts those who might be considered 'unmusical'. My experience has been that most other dances expect some 'musicality' in learning, even as a beginner, whereas AT typically starts with 'elements' and walking to a rhythm. So you then learn a musical interpretation of those elements, and it progresses from there - and into more complex music.

But, as with every skill, some delve further and progress, but for others their 'good enough' stops.
 
..At some more relaxed and less strict milongas, people do dance other dances if the music is appropriate. Typically salsa..
In my city there are two studios run by Argentinians. When the owners themselves DJ at milongas, they always play salsa and rock 'n' roll in between. And then the dance floor is packed. Latinos especially love variety.
 
In my city there are two studios run by Argentinians. When the owners themselves DJ at milongas, they always play salsa and rock 'n' roll in between. And then the dance floor is packed. Latinos especially love variety.
Yeah, but there are some who discover AT and wish to enforce their 'one true way' and be miserable. AT isn't unique in that. People, and their perceptions of what's 'correct', are a problem across everything.
 
Tango attracts the unmusical! Why is there so much talk about musicality in tango? Answer: because marcato en 4 isn't a challenge at all. Primarily, the tango crowd wants to cuddle on the floor, embrace the opposite (or same) sex, and dream. For the typical tango dancer, the music is a secondary consideration. Folks, I've been DJing intensively in Hamburg and the neighboring city of Lübeck for several years now. I've tried many things and conducted experiments: for the majority of the scene, the music remains secondary! You can play well-composed or badly composed tangos: they'll always jump onto the dance floor. You can put on well-made or lousy digitized tracks, they'll always start with the mirada before the first bar. You can play Pugliese or Biagi for them, they'll always dance the same way. You can repeat the same piece three times a night, nobody, absolutely nobody, will notice. The tango crowd cannot understand that salsa is more demanding than tango! They simply lack musical depth.
Some of it is the music, too. It's much easier to find and follow the beat with drum beats, instruments with more of a beat (like a guitar), and lyrics that come out in little 4 count bursts! Even drunk people in night clubs seem to have no trouble dancing to the main beat of rock and popular songs. On the other side, it took me about 3 months to reliably find the beat in Tango. Where are the drum beats? What's up with these drawn out, long note vocals?
Believe me, tango dancing appeals to simple souls. Thats the reason why you rarely find multi-skilled dancers in our rows.
Other dances I have dabbled in taught more ways to express the music -- feet are going one speed and arms are going another, for instance. IMO other dances' lessons introduce musicality concepts much sooner, and more often, too.
I don't want to seem bitter, and this isn't a retreat either. But ever since my first tango step, I've been asking myself: what comes after tango?
Death. I say it only half jokingly, it seems to be the last dance for many. There are a significant number of elderly ladies (I know I have danced with several in their 80s), unlike other dances I have dabbled in.
 

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