First AT lesson!!!

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I had my first lesson today!! it was great!! I'm so falling in love with this dance! :p
I'm not sure about the figure names though.. is there an online guide where I could find the names?

When practicing after class, we had a rhythm problem at some figure, I think it's called Rond. The man is turning on one leg and the other leg goes around it, while the lady going around him with zigzag action. Could you tell me what is the correct rhythm for the man in this figure?
 
I had my first lesson today!! it was great!! I'm so falling in love with this dance! :p
I'm not sure about the figure names though.. is there an online guide where I could find the names?​


When practicing after class, we had a rhythm problem at some figure, I think it's called Rond. The man is turning on one leg and the other leg goes around it, while the lady going around him with zigzag action. Could you tell me what is the correct rhythm for the man in this figure?

Congratulations! Here's a good reference for terminology: http://www.tejastango.com/terminology.html

Sonds like you were doing an "Enrosque," with the lady doing a "Molinete." The rhythm is what the music dictates. Try not to think in terms of SSQQS. Listen to the music, and that's the rhythm you follow.
 
This website is awesome, thanx a lot!!
The concept of not thinking in QQSS terms is... intriguing. :)
The thing that I didn't figure out yet - how much of this dance is improvised?
I danced salsa which is totally improvised, and dance ballroom which is choreographed all the way. where is AT on that scale?
 
This website is awesome, thanx a lot!!
The concept of not thinking in QQSS terms is... intriguing. :)
The thing that I didn't figure out yet - how much of this dance is improvised?
I danced salsa which is totally improvised, and dance ballroom which is choreographed all the way. where is AT on that scale?

You are most welcome.

Yes, its intriguing. Thinking in terms of SSQQS, is predominantly, a ballroom thing. AT is dynamic and basically, the music dictates the flow and rhythm of your dance.

AT operates on a few rules. These you will learn as you study. Aside from that, it is totally improv. Only the Argentinean Tangos you see for shows or performances are choreographed. Sometimes, they are also improv, depending on how good the dancers are.

AT is actually the most complicated, yet most beautiful of all the social dance, IMHO.

We wish you well on your voyage of discovery. Welcome to our world :raisebro:
 
Hiya! Welcome to the obsessive world of AT!

Nothing to add beyond what Ampster (Hi, Ampster!) has said. No defineable rhythm other than what you feel moved to do by the music. (I've heard teachers tell students to just stand still until they feel compelled by the music to move.) Unless it's a show, it's 100% improvisational. A lot of "shows" or performances by dancers are 100% improvised. The figure you were asking about was a molinete for the woman--no clue about the guy since I don't lead. But, ideally, a molinete is a box...not a zig zag.
 
Here's a heads up that I have found to be true.

While we believe that there are no patterns in AT, and that it is totally improvised, you will find that you will dance patterns. You have already been introduced to a pattern, the molinete.
You will undoubtedly be taught the cross.
You will do these patterns over and over again before your partner - the leader, right? - learns how to lead these things all the way through.
That's because they are really pretty difficult to learn since there is a lot to them. Likewise, you will probably learn to "just cross" or do an entire molinete because you feel the lead for the beginning of a molinete. "Because" being that it is difficult to develop enough sensitivity to be able to feel the leads that are needed to lead these complex non patterns.

There is nothing wrong with this. But somewhere along the line, you are going to realize, hey, I'm getting conflicting messages here!

It really is one of the charming things about Argentine Tango. Frustrating. But charming.
 
Hey Genesius Redux! yep, definitely!! :D
I just love the concept of tis dance.
Steve Pastor, you mean that first you study patterns, and after learning them properly, and dancing long enough, it all just turns out into a one whole dance without giving thought to "now I'm dancing this pattern", right?
 
Patterns

To the contrary-- there is a handbook put out by Paul Bottomer ( former world champion ) with a complete listing and breakdown with 128 variations , starting from basic concepts to advanced work .

.It has been in print since 1990, and has been recognised as the guideline for all enthusiasts .

There is also a very well written history and compendium that will give anyone an insight to the workings of the dance .

Like all genres , there has to be a foundational format upon which you may eventually improvise .
 
"you mean that first you study patterns, and after learning them properly, and dancing long enough, it all just turns out into a one whole dance without giving thought to "now I'm dancing this pattern", right?"
Not exactly.

Let's take the molinete. You can start this sequence of steps anywhere, but it is basically, for the woman: take a forward step, collect, take a side step, collect, take a back step, collect.

Often when dancing with beginning through intermediate dancers, when they realize that they are taking a forward step, and the man is staying in place, and they are beginning to rotate around him, they launch into the pattern of steps for the molinete.

But, it is actually possible to lead each step in the sequence. There is a pretty specific rotation of the man's torso that should produce a back step, and a different rotation of the man's torso that should produce a forward step.

It is possible to lead two forward steps in a row, rather than a forward followed by a a side step. Or any other comination of steps. But, not only does the leader have to know how to do this, but the follower has to feel and understand what is being asked for.
You already know the pattern, but you do something diffferent to add richness to the dance.
Rather than it being "one whole dance", it's one step at a time through the whole dance with each step involving lead and follow.
I have had instructors who will teach a pattern, then immediately show us how to break the pattern.
Me, I guess I get bored easily, so this really appeals to me. Of course with Argentine Tango, the challenge was there, and was quite the challenge.

I now tell my partners, when they ask me if they did what I "wanted them to do", that what really matters is what they did. And that as long as they let me know where they are (a whole 'nuther subject involving posture, how they step, and keeping their weight towards me), it doesn't matter.

Now we're both improvising!
 
I had my first lesson today!! it was great!! I'm so falling in love with this dance! :p
I'm not sure about the figure names though.. is there an online guide where I could find the names?

When practicing after class, we had a rhythm problem at some figure, I think it's called Rond. The man is turning on one leg and the other leg goes around it, while the lady going around him with zigzag action. Could you tell me what is the correct rhythm for the man in this figure?

Since you are not really making steps in this move: you have to flow round with the followers steps. For the follower it can be done on a steady beat or alternatively with two quick beats follwing the backward pivot as this takes longer than a beat.
 

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