Follower's Left Arm

AndaBien

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Thinking about the follower's left arm, I prefer it being up over my R shoulder. This allows me to involve my R arm more in the dance. (I prefer apilado). I've noticed that lot's of women normally put their L arm around the leaders upper R arm and reach down toward his kidney area. For me, this feels like my R arm is bound to my side, out of play.

I'm wondering if there is some advantage for followers to dance this way. Perhaps it works better for a V embrace.

Comments?
 
I think the height difference can effect what works best. My wife just started experimenting with this yesterday on me. She says it made it easier for her to maintain the embrace. I'm still getting used to this with her, so it's to be determined, how much I like it. It's pretty common when the follower is significantly shorter than the leader, not to put her arm over the guy's shoulder..
 
Sometimes it just gets uncomfortable to have my arm in one position all the time, so I like to move it. Sometimes I don't realize that I'm moving it around. A lot has to do with the guy's height, or his embrace, or any number of other factors.

I switch between over his shoulder with my hand on his left shoulder or around his neck, arm kind of pointing down at an angle with my hand on his spine (which is awesome because it adds another bit of information--it's like getting information about what he's doing with his torso in stereo), or kind of with my hand on his right side. The important thing is that, no matter what, I don't pin the guy's arm to his side. The embrace is always, always flexible and accomodating.

Mostly I don't pay attention. It moves of its own accord almost.
 
I can say for Tango Salon V embrace (normal hips)

I don't mind where she puts her left arm as long as the arm is responsive to the change of embrace and as long as she does not lock me in the position.

It's quite difficult to dance with follower left around if she is shorter cause I cannot embrace her properly (to have my right around her).
So it is preferred to put her hand to upper position (raising shoulder is inevitable)
In the transtion to open embrace, shoulders need to be put down.
 
... with my hand on his spine (which is awesome because it adds another bit of information--it's like getting information about what he's doing with his torso in stereo)...

Interesting, if it's comfortable for him. Reminds me of a dance I had many years ago, when my partner had two finger tips pressed on my vertebrae. It was most uncomfortable; I could still feel it long after the dance was over. I didn't know how to lead her if the connection was coming from my spine.
 
*shrug* It was something I was taught my Murat, and I found it interesting and sometimes useful. I don't use two finger tips, though, and I don't press. I just keep my hand flat on the guy's back, like I would anywhere else, and feel how he uses his spine.
 
I'd like to add that it's great when follower has forehead on leader's cheek.
I can feel her spine and the way she steps.
 
Thinking about the follower's left arm, I prefer it being up over my R shoulder. This allows me to involve my R arm more in the dance. (I prefer apilado). I've noticed that lot's of women normally put their L arm around the leaders upper R arm and reach down toward his kidney area. For me, this feels like my R arm is bound to my side, out of play.

I'm wondering if there is some advantage for followers to dance this way. Perhaps it works better for a V embrace.

Comments?

I agree with Dchester that height differences are big determining factor in what I do with my left arm. The other factor is the embrace and style I expect the leader to use.

With my partner, who does not open the embrace, I drape it around his neck so that his neck is in the crook of my elbow. That way there is no downward pressure on his shoulder (which there might be if I didn't get it that far over because of his height). My hand ends up somewhere around his left shoulder.

With another leader I know who dances similar to my partner (does not open the embrace) I do not "hook" his neck with my elbow, even though its easier because he is shorter. He has a neck problem, so I wrap it around his upper arm and keep it completely off his shoulders and away from his neck.

With the people who use a changing embrace (most everyone here) I do various different things, but all allowing me to slide in and out of CE (the "neck hook" thing is hard to slide in and out of). If he is much taller, I keep it more around his arm, so that I won't create any downward feeling on the outside of his shoulder. If he is closer to my height, I drape it over his shoulders.

Sometimes, I actually take it away completely or let my elbow drop so that I am reaching UP with my hand to the back or outside of his bicep. This doesn't work with everyone (even though it gives him plenty of space to move his arm) because I no longer get forward pressure info from him through my arm. If he has a collapsed chest and little forward projection, I won't be able to follow him that way. This particular arm position works best (for me, anyway) when there is chest contact and his chest is forward.

As I think we discussed on another thread, I don't like trying to drape my arm down the guy's back. Its awkward for my shoulder unless he is shorter than I am.
 
Thinking about the follower's left arm, I prefer it being up over my R shoulder. This allows me to involve my R arm more in the dance. (I prefer apilado). I've noticed that lot's of women normally put their L arm around the leaders upper R arm and reach down toward his kidney area. For me, this feels like my R arm is bound to my side, out of play.

I'm wondering if there is some advantage for followers to dance this way. Perhaps it works better for a V embrace.

Comments?

For me it depends on his physique, technique, and style of dance.

When possible, I drape my arm over his right shoulder and put the hand somewhere on the other shoulder or just below it. But this only really works for me if he wants to dance in a very consistent close embrace, so I can keep the connection directly from my torso - in which case I don't really need that arm for the following, I can just dedicate it to a nice embrace.

It is physically harder for me to achieve this if the man is narrow-shouldered or very slightly built or very tall, but easier if he is wearing a suit jacket with shoulder pads. If I am tense or injured in the left shoulder then I won't be able to do it. Sometimes it is just uncomfortable to have the elbow so high, or the arm does not feel secure.

If he is dancing more of a fluid style then I will put my arm loosely around his upper arm and the hand wherever it is comfortable, moving it as necessary. I'm going to need to alter the embrace significantly during the dance, as opposed to just renewing it where it is, and I find it easier to do that from a position where my hand is getting some of the information. The obvious place to put it in this situation is at the same height as I am connecting in front of him, so my elbow has to go wherever that puts it.

I cannot make a v-embrace work with my left hand high up, I find that I have to point it well downwards or I get a weak connection, but I don't know if that's just me as I don't dance that style very often.

The hand at shoulder level also will not work for me if the man caves his chest or leans over at all, or is at all unstable, or lets his right shoulder lift, or twists or pulls away from me unexpectedly, because I'll keep losing the connection and end up flapping around like washing on a line. Then I'll want to put my hand at the height of my own chest, and the elbow will follow.

My guess is that most women first try whatever works most often for them and then change it with a new partner only if it does not seem to work. You have to dance with someone for a while before you notice and can use any possibilities that don't exist with other people.
 
Posters are correct in that there are several things (height, weight, build, etc) that might affect this, however, the bottom line answer to your question is....
Sometimes it just gets uncomfortable to have my arm in one position all the time, so I like to move it. Sometimes I don't realize that I'm moving it around. A lot has to do with the guy's height, or his embrace, or any number of other factors.

I switch between over his shoulder with my hand on his left shoulder or around his neck, arm kind of pointing down at an angle with my hand on his spine (which is awesome because it adds another bit of information--it's like getting information about what he's doing with his torso in stereo), or kind of with my hand on his right side. The important thing is that, no matter what, I don't pin the guy's arm to his side. The embrace is always, always flexible and accomodating.

Mostly I don't pay attention. It moves of its own accord almost.
 
Amen. Or, use it for support.
I was broken of that habit very very early on (right along with not letting it slide and move to accomodate whatever changes to the embrace a movement might create). I'm still kind of paranoid about it.
 
I was thinking about this thread last night while practicing. So many people seem to disparage the whole girl's left arm angling down the guy's back posture for some reason (prolly cuz it's not "real" tango...should I mention I was dressed casually, too?). But last night I realized that, with my practice partner, it is the most comfortable position for my arm. That's where it goes naturally, and nothing else really feels right.

*shrug* It's all about how each person's body fits well with someone else's.
 
You need arms only for the embrace, you lead and follow with your body.
Where you put them it does not matter while being polite.
 

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