Has Buenos Aires lost its tango soul?

I never been to BsAs. Almost all accounts of experience there I have heard have been from women. I know a few men who been there but they don’t rave about it like the women do. Only man I have read or heard narrate BsAS experiences in detail is @TTanguero.

Based on what women have told me over the years:

- the earlier in tango journey they go, the more they rave.
- I haven’t heard advanced followers talk much about their BsAs experience. It is mostly intermediate skilled or lesser that go to BsAs multiple times.
- there are a lot of opportunities for taking private and group classes. Almost 10x of any other city.
- Argentina was extremely affordable for people visiting from the west or those who had moderately equivalent income of a middle class westerner.
- people went in group led by instructor and their experience was curated.

I always tell women that if they really want to go to tango heaven, they should go to Istanbul. A lot more me, who are good tango dancers, tend to be younger too and are technically trained. From my experience, they can be a bit showy when dancing but technically very competent.

Similarly for men, nothing beats Moscow. A lot of good to excellent followers with very little competition from local men. It is follower heavy and not likely to change. I haven’t been to Kiev so not idea how tango is there. I have danced in a few eastern and center European cities and dancing is also very good experience if you are a man (leader).

Of all the Argentinian followers I have danced with, the only good ones have been the visiting instructors or local instructors who grew up in BsAs. Among men I see only few Argentinians that can be said to have good skill. Most don’t. It is not surprising. I have come across or know a lot more Argentinians who don’t dance tango. They might have some familiarity with the music (as in heard it play on radio or otherwise). When it comes to dancing they have no to little idea. In Argentina too, tango dancing as a pursuit is a niche activity in my impression.

Places like Cuba for salsa or BsAs for tango, don’t live up to hype. In both places you will find many teachers and number of the good ones. Only place that lived up to hype for a short while in mid nineties till about 2010 was NYC for those that dance on2. The socials over there are no longer at the level that used to be.
 
According to her Facebook profile, she's a "High Frequency Encuentro Traveler", presumably with a partner. I know a lot of people like that... ;)

First, the usual "everything's great" photos in front of buildings and milongas in Buenos Aires for her social circle back home. Then, after the trip, the internal admission that it wasn't great at all; she wasn't really allowed to participate.

She finds the suggestion in the Facebook comments that she should pay for her dance partners extremely insulting and becomes aggressive. She confuses her spirit within the Encuentros with the "soul of tango", which of course does not exist.
 
First, the usual "everything's great" photos in front of buildings and milongas in Buenos Aires for her social circle back home. Then, after the trip, the internal admission that it wasn't great at all; she wasn't really allowed to participate.

She finds the suggestion in the Facebook comments that she should pay for her dance partners extremely insulting and becomes aggressive. She confuses her spirit within the Encuentros with the "soul of tango", which of course does not exist.

I have not the lung capacity to laugh as long and as loudly as I wish I could have. :)

I've never been to an encuentro or Buenos Aires, but even I know that they're very, very different creatures.
 
I think the topic hidden beneath your headline is diversity, JIT. No offense, but dancers in a metropolis can easily change their teachers to holistically learn or experience all aspects of tango. Yet some dancers never leave their niche in which they grew up technically. When these people travel to dance, it has unusual causes in their personality. For dancers outside the metropolis, travel is necessary to gain other perspectives on dance and the art.
 
I think I either read it on here or head a few people say how the ladies can hire locals as taxi dancers to accompany them for the milonga. The level of these local dancers is pretty good and they get to earn some money.
I was suggesting under the radar taxi dancers. Give the tourists the illusion of endless dream tandas and they’ll keep coming back.
 
I think the topic hidden beneath your headline is diversity, JIT. No offense, but dancers in a metropolis can easily change their teachers to holistically learn or experience all aspects of tango. Yet some dancers never leave their niche in which they grew up technically. When these people travel to dance, it has unusual causes in their personality. For dancers outside the metropolis, travel is necessary to gain other perspectives on dance and the art.
Yes. When I finally could explore other dance scenes (aka find time and money), my own dancing changed dramatically. No longer did the voice of a local ‘authority’ sound true. There is no one truth in Tango. My confidence got boosted. My humility grew. Each scene is different. All styles have something valuable to offer. My taste evolved with deepening and broadening perspectives.
 
No longer did the voice of a local ‘authority’ sound true. There is no one truth in Tango. My confidence got boosted
Are bigger scenes really fragmented like that? My only experience is Portland and the teachers here all go to other events and everyone just hangs out without many cliques. Smaller communities nearby drive up and down to each other and support each other. So this idea of fragmented cliques sounds weird to me. Like competing classes and milongas?
 
PS At last night’s milonga @ Valentango almost everyone danced close. Guess I had only been dancing with newer people @ the few practicas I’ve attended since BA?
& yes, even back in the early 2000s instructors in Portland encouraged people to explore other teachers & styles
 
Are bigger scenes really fragmented like that? My only experience is Portland and the teachers here all go to other events and everyone just hangs out without many cliques. Smaller communities nearby drive up and down to each other and support each other. So this idea of fragmented cliques sounds weird to me. Like competing classes and milongas?
Sorta, in nyc it’s not really a single nyc community, I would say there’s a handful of smaller communities that sometimes co mingles and overlaps. And yes there can be competing classes and milongas (usually the weekends for milongas). Or just competing milongas and practicas (a lot of the practicas here are higher level and can even be more snobby than the milongas happening at the same time).
 
Are bigger scenes really fragmented like that? My only experience is Portland and the teachers here all go to other events and everyone just hangs out without many cliques. Smaller communities nearby drive up and down to each other and support each other. So this idea of fragmented cliques sounds weird to me. Like competing classes and milongas?

Tango is not that big to be fragmented the way you are thinking. Instructors attending events is not unique either.

Cliquey behavior exists in tango far more than any other social dance.
 
I was suggesting under the radar taxi dancers. Give the tourists the illusion of endless dream tandas and they’ll keep coming back.
Back in college a friend had this idea of organizing parties with dedicated ice breakers. Basically they were just attractive people with necklaces that went around talking and introducing people to each other. A lot of shy folks paid money to go to these events. I don’t even think you need to make it hidden. Have taxi dancers with something that indicates that they are totally open to dance with whoever without attitude and people will still flock to the milonga. Tons of group tours already offer the idea of taxi dancers. This was the main selling point of a women’s retreat in Argentina I saw recently - come hang out with women but we screen all these men for dance level and friendliness and they are there to dance with you.
 
Apparently there was a Facebook post by a lady that travelled to Buenos Aires from Spain that sparked a bit of debate online about expectations of Tango in Buenos Aires and how disappointed she was:

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Source: Eva Masegosa Antolin

I found it after the discussion here
What do you think?
I found his discussion interesting and true. Aside from external factors like the physical environment and the nature of floorcraft, much of what we are looking for comes from within. We have to bring something to the game.
 

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