Subliminal
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Generally, I've heard the definition of "neo" to be non-tango music. Anything goes. Celtic ballads, Lady Gaga, Tom Waits, Cake, etc. Of course, people have different definitions, even for neo.
Has fashion turned against electro-tango?
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Generally, I've heard the definition of "neo" to be non-tango music. Anything goes. Celtic ballads, Lady Gaga, Tom Waits, Cake, etc. Of course, people have different definitions, even for neo.
Subliminal
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I think we had a discussion about that a while back. Some people think that different music requires more modern steps. Others think you dance whatever you feel. So if dancing CE apilado to Rolling in the Deep floats your boat, sure, whatever.
I don't think there was a consensus.
Interesting. It looks like every area uses the terms a little differently. What you call Neo is called alternative, here. Neo (at least here) is the electronic tango music, and is just a subset of Alternative, in these parts.
The categories in which I think of music, suitable for dancing tango, all fall into one of two main groups: music composed or arranged specifically for tango, and anything else - to which I attribute the 'alternative' label. So Old Guard and Golden Age are the two main groupings in 'traditional', but I struggle to label the stuff that came later (most of the top orchestras continued to produce concert music, long after everyone had stopped dancing). Increasingly, the distinctions have become blurred, and we dance to much of it anyway. The same is true of nuevo (has anyone mentioned nuevo?) by which I mean the likes of Piazolla, which originally was considered undanceable, and the likes of Triolo said wasn't even tango.
Perhaps as the boundaries have been pushed into dancing to all sorts of other things (eg I've come late to Tom Waits), it seems less and less sensible to draw an arbitrary line in the continuum of the development of music away from the normal limits of the traditional. The one style of music that I really don't seek out, for dancing, is the electronica stuff. I quite like to listen to some of it, but it seems to lack the variety and interest of other (invariably, shorter) material of an earlier time. It isn't aging well, either, and much of it sounds dated. It astonishes me that soon, some of the Guardia Vieja music that is still regularly played will be 100 years old. Gotan, recently produced a 10th anniversary edition of its earliest material - will we be intereted at 25, or 50, or 100?
Having said that, one of the tracks on Electrocutango's latest: Pugliando is brilliant, and Michael Lavocah is absolutely right in saying:
My only quibble is that it is not for dancing: I'd give it a go. I don't know what I'd put it with, but Otros Aires' later 'La Yumba' might be one partner. Any other suggestions?
Perhaps as the boundaries have been pushed into dancing to all sorts of other things (eg I've come late to Tom Waits), it seems less and less sensible to draw an arbitrary line in the continuum of the development of music away from the normal limits of the traditional. The one style of music that I really don't seek out, for dancing, is the electronica stuff. I quite like to listen to some of it, but it seems to lack the variety and interest of other (invariably, shorter) material of an earlier time. It isn't aging well, either, and much of it sounds dated. It astonishes me that soon, some of the Guardia Vieja music that is still regularly played will be 100 years old. Gotan, recently produced a 10th anniversary edition of its earliest material - will we be intereted at 25, or 50, or 100?
Having said that, one of the tracks on Electrocutango's latest: Pugliando is brilliant, and Michael Lavocah is absolutely right in saying:
My only quibble is that it is not for dancing: I'd give it a go. I don't know what I'd put it with, but Otros Aires' later 'La Yumba' might be one partner. Any other suggestions?
This has been my experience too. I don't dance a very different range of movements or actions (my dance is firmly grounded in an earlier age!), but the feeling, and rhythmic response that I try and bring to the dance is completely different, and if I don't think that my style of dance will fit the music, I'll sit out and enjoy watching others make more of it that I can.
But dancing the same to everything? I see it all the time, but I think that such dancers has just failed to connect with one of the fundamentals of tango: the music. Mind you, at the last Milonga I attended, most of the dancers didn't alter anything when the milonga tandas came around either - they just carried on blocking the ronda danding their fancy embellished giros, in place, which is all they seemed to be able to do. (Only a few, but i wreaks havock on the rest of the floor).
opendoor
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I know D, but actually the differences between the styles of the golden age (which someone labelled as only one style) are greater than the differences between nuevo, neo, elctro a.s.o. which he put into one glas. So some guys around here seem to be blind on one eye only, and actually I really got a little bit angry about that fact.
bordertangoman
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Goodness I hope I'm not like that. I like dancing slow electronic pieces or the dramatic elements in Borges Y paraguay (Bajofondo)
mind you I once had a follower who could only step on the beat of a Gotan track; refused blindly to dance to the melody!
mind you I once had a follower who could only step on the beat of a Gotan track; refused blindly to dance to the melody!
bordertangoman
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Pugliando is great for dancing too..I will find some accompamaniment to it..i have a song in my head..but dont know what it is....
Peaches
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If you mean using the same hold/style (CE, apilado, salon, whatever) for all music, that I understand completely.
Unfortunately, I also see a lot of people who dance the same way to all music--period--and it's not just a question of the style or embrace. I mean, every dance feels the same, looks the same, has about the same rhythm, everything. Milonga? Feels the same as a vals, feels the same as a tango. There are A LOT of guys out there who dance this way, IME. Boring as hell.
In case there is any one else here who is not familiar with that song (like me), here it is.
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opendoor
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I´m with you!
In my beginnings I said, the music rules the (dancing)style. Now I would say, there are a lot of pieces that deserve their own style.
No argument there.
:cheers:
The only problem I occasionally run into, is that some followers really only like the way I dance to one specific style (the preferred style varies for the follower). So I now try to keep track of what type of song to dance with a follower. This then leads to another problem in that a lot of people around here ask followers to dance before the new tanda is started, whereas I prefer to wait until after it has started (cutting down on who might be available).
bordertangoman
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ah but finding a followere who would dance well to Pugliando..now there's the rub.....
pascal
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In my two usual practicas the fashionistas are gone and the audience has become older. So yeah there isn't a rush on a floor any more when the DJ play some electro thing. Still I cannot notice much difference when the DJ plays traditional things or alternative things, the dancers don't mind. The one thing I have noticed though, is when the DJ plays a milonga, nobody dances. But then, these two practicas are for beginners and proto-intermediates.