He pull her or she press him when he's moving backwards

[DonMickey84]

This is a question about leading and following, how the man and the lady can incorporate with each other to do a backward walk or turn when the man is stepping back? Is there any assistance from the lady to push/press forward or it is all up to the man to pull the lady torward him?

Thank you so much for help!

 

[DanceLightly]

Because she stays with him, she moves with him no matter the direction. Whomever it is moving forward, they should just remember to move.

 

[DonMickey84]

But it is necessary to have a solid frame for the man, rite? Thank you so much!

 

[fascination]

the lady needs to trust and move her center as much as possible and the man needs to createthe invite and the space ideally, that is felt without pushing and pulling

 

[DanceLightly]

Fascination is correct. In addition to answer your question, nobody wants to dance with a noodle for a partner - both man and lady should do what they can to keep a good frame on all figures.

 

[DonMickey84]

But my current teacher told that the lady will have to assist the man on count 4 of Natural Turn in Waltz or on backward walks in Foxtrot by positively pressing forward him, anyway I feel it unnatural. So that's why I asked this question.

The next time meet him I'm going to ask where his principles is based on? And one more question to fascination is: where is the lady's center? Thank guys so much!

 

[bia]

But my current teacher told that the lady will have to assist the man on count 4 of Natural Turn in Waltz or on backward walks in Foxtrot by positively pressing forward him.

Yes, in the sense that she's actively moving herself into the space provided, not waiting to be pulled there. That movement is felt by the man through their connection in the frame, but she is hopefully not pushing him backwards with her arms, any more than he is pushing her with his arms when she's moving backwards.

But it is necessary to have a solid frame for the man, rite?

"Solid" meaning that there's consistent connection and communication with the partner, yes. "Solid" meaning fixed or unchanging, no. Each partner's frame should be flexible enough (especially from elbow to hand) to give their partner room to move. In this case, with the guy moving backwards, his frame breathes enough that he doesn't pull her off her balance when he moves; rather, he initiates the movement, which she feels, and as he moves out of her way and gives her space to move forward, she fills that space.

 

[DonMickey84]

So great, bia.

What you say are exactly what Luca says, and I do agree at all. Thank guy so much

 

[fascination]

But my current teacher told that the lady will have to assist the man on count 4 of Natural Turn in Waltz or on backward walks in Foxtrot by positively pressing forward him, anyway I feel it unnatural. So that's why I asked this question.

The next time meet him I'm going to ask where his principles is based on? And one more question to fascination is: where is the lady's center? Thank guys so much!

A) I think that there is a difference between pressing toward someone with one's frame intact and therefore allowing them to feel the rate and distance one is moving, and pushing or pulling to get somewhere...B) when I am referring to center in this instance I am thinking of her whole spine moving directly forward toward the man with her arms attached and not breaking in relationship to the spine

 

[DanceMentor]

I pull, and she presses me not to ever do that again.

 

[DonMickey84]

You guys are so cool, but one more question I'd like to ask is that what would you do in case the lady do not feel your pull so well and therefore she's not move inward to you, and therefore you pull and pull more and more so insult your move and balance? Thank guy so much! :X

 

[DanceLightly]

If she doesn't drive forward, please don't pull her. It will never give you the desired result, and will make both of your dancing suffer. If it is a regular partner try to discuss it with her and your teacher or coach. The best you can do for her is to create the space she needs and allow her to take it.

A good exercise all around is when you stand together, in hold, and then release hold just before you start to dance your figures. Then you can be sure you are not pulling her forward and she will see just how much she has to move in order to maintain proper body contact.

Never sacrifice your dancing for that of your partners. Be the best you can be and she will most likely do what you want with a little polite discussion and positive reinforcement.

 

[fascination]

you are connected to her...you can only invite her by creating as much space for her to fill as you can without pulling her off balance, it is up to her to fill that in or not...be patient... forward movement is often a bit hard for most ladies to learn to do well...if you have a coach get them to have her do a drill that includes forward movement alone so that she will feel more comfortable with it

 

[DonMickey84]

Thank you DanceLightly & fascination so much! Now that I've already understood the way the man lead the lady theoretically; in practical the problem is that when I move forward I feel my muscle is not enough to drive the partner down the direction (we practice a LF Closed Change and then a RF Closed Change in Waltz and repeat again and again along the side of the room, I step forward, she step backward) so the stride of us is short and weak, while she wanted our stride to be huge and long so she ... pull me . So I lost my poise and balance. Any advise for the man to drive the lady forward easily please? Thank you so much

 

[drejenpha]

Thank you DanceLightly & fascination so much! Now that I've already understood the way the man lead the lady theoretically; in practical the problem is that when I move forward I feel my muscle is not enough to drive the partner down the direction (we practice a LF Closed Change and then a RF Closed Change in Waltz and repeat again and again along the side of the room, I step forward, she step backward) so the stride of us is short and weak, while she wanted our stride to be huge and long so she ... pull me . So I lost my poise and balance. Any advise for the man to drive the lady forward easily please? Thank you so much

The best advice I can give you is to move yourself, you're not in charge of a thing that she does, you can only hope that she follows you. Lower just a little bit into your knees and move yourself forward; don't worry about your follow, she'll get out of the way. Focusing on moving your partner is a great way to make sure it never works correctly.