Holistic Health Thread

I also think that family upbringing has a lot to answer for, in some cases.

Another personal anecdote. I have a guy friend who has a three-year-old. My friend says that, when he takes his son to visits the grandparents, the grandparents always say to the little boy, "You have to clean your plate before you get dessert." And my friend says, "No he doesn't."

I think a lot of us were raised in families where you had to clean your plate regardless of whether you were full, or you had to eat at certain times of day regardless of whether you were hungry, where it was considered a sin to throw away food, etc.

Kinda stacks the deck against you, when you consider how much more often we're eating out, overall, and when you factor in the exponential increase in the portion sizes at most restaurants over the past decades. It's the perfect storm for weight gain. This is why I think it behooves us, as adults, to really think about what we're eating, and when and where and why.

And it starts early -- as early as a baby bottle. I'll have to google to find some support for this assertion (and I will when I get home and have time.) I have read one theory that children and adults who were breastfed tend to have lower rates of obesity. It’s theorized that this is because breastfed babies eat only when they want and only as much as they want. Bottle fed babies, OTOH, are sometimes encouraged to finish the bottle, on the parent's schedule and whether or not they are hungry. Of course, this is an oversimplified observation, but it is food for thought. No pun intended.
 
Yeah, don't get me wrong. The grump scientist in me will insist that weight loss boils down to calories in < calories out (Lisa, in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!), I don't doubt that there are factors that make it easier or harder to maintain a given caloric balance. I'm somewhat skeptical of some of the vectors that samina is proposing, but I am quite emphatically not a nutritionist or endocrinologist.

And yeah, I totally noticed the editing change myself. For the record, my current weight is actually 178 lbs, not 178) lbs. ;)
 
i think that there are hidden, underlying contributing factor for the increasing widespread obesity, factors that are generally not recognized as potentially having significant effect. for example:

- widespread use of fluoridated water and the damaging effect fluoride has on the thyroid gland.

Evidence?
 
More scary stuff. According to this 2005 paper published in the Journal of Nutrition, 65% of Americans we overweight or obese.
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/135/4/905.long

I've heard it put this way:

Recently, proportion of overweight people has remained constant at about 1/3. Proportion of obese people has increased to 1/3. One way of looking at this is that for each recent "graduation" from overweight to obese, there's a corresponding "graduation" from normal weight to overweight.

(I forget the start time, and starting proportion of obese people, for this claim.)
 
morbid obesity isn't 20-40 extra pounds due to a sedentary lifestyle with too many carbs... it's way more than that.

Sedentary lifestyle with higher caloric intake than burn-off causes weight gain *without bound*. It might be fast weight gain or slow weight gain; but any gain rate that is consistent and persists over time will eventually lead to morbid obesity by far more than 20-40 pounds.

You can correlate obesity trends pretty effectively with processed food, more cheaply available calories, the economic efficiencies of distributing calories particularly in corn and soy products, and many other factors.

Nonetheless, if you consistently pour more water into the sink than goes out the drain, the sink fills. If you drain more quickly than you fill, the sink empties. People do these things at different rates, but even one extra pat of butter a day for someone starting at calorie equilibrium will eventually add up to morbid obesity.

HBO did a 4-part series on this ("The Weight of the Nation") that I thought was well done, and I believe episodes are free to stream from their web site.
 
Yep, DL.

There may be other factors (and I believe there probably are) BUT an extra 100 calories a day that don't get burned off = an extra ten pounds I'll weigh next year. In the absence of some sort of intervention, that puts me 100 pounds overweight, if I let that trend go for a decade, which is frighteningly easy to do. If there's no calorie burn offset, morbidly obese = one extra glass of wine or one extra pat of butter, etc, per day for far less than a decade.
 
Sedentary lifestyle with higher caloric intake than burn-off causes weight gain *without bound*...

Yep, DL.

There may be other factors (and I believe there probably are) BUT an extra 100 calories a day that don't get burned off = an extra ten pounds I'll weigh next year.

i think we all understand the principle of caloric burn-off, here.

what i'm suggesting is that there are MANY other SIMULTANEOUS, widespread, culturally predominant & systemically damaging influences that are occurring, en masse and with unprecedented prevalence. it's not like "back in the day". look at the trend of what the masses of morbidly obese people are eating and these influences tend to converge in most of their diets like a perfect storm, a nutritional apocalypse.

a scientific mindset doesn't dismiss this out of hand; such a mindset inquires what are the individual & collective effects on a body that is inundated with these substances. and then perhaps takes it further and asks, why are these things being added to food everywhere in the US? and why is it being permitted?

i mean, why is it suddenly necessary to start adding the same silicone chemical to fast foods, across the board: dimethylpolysiloxane is in the published ingredients lists for many/most of the products made by taco bell, mcdonalds, wendy's, and coca cola/sprite/pepsi products, for starters. and what about TBHQ?

all it takes is a read-through of the MSDS for either substance, as well as the lengthy ingredients lists where these items appear, for an intelligent person to ask: why? and what affect is this having on people's organs, glands & cellular function through massive exposure?

it's just one tiny piece of a much larger puzzle... all directly related to holistic health, and certainly weighing in (pun intended) in some way with the obesity issue.
 
go research it...or not if you don't wish to.

not doing anyone's due diligence for them.

Unwillingness to take at face value unsupported claims (e.g., "there's a link between water fluoridation and obesity") is exactly the opposite of failure to undertake due diligence. I'll accept a claim that can be supported when questioned far sooner than one that is declared correct unless debunked.

At any rate, having spent a bit of time looking, I don't see scientific support for a claim that water fluoridation causes obesity.

Even if there were such a causal relationship, I see very strong evidence that other factors are dominant causes of obesity.

Furthermore, I see evidence that there are highly effective things that individuals can do -- and indeed have done -- to become less overweight/obese that are completely independent of water fluoridation. I also see no evidence that altering water fluoridation could cause overweight/obese individuals to lose weight without doing those highly effective things.
 
At any rate, having spent a bit of time looking, I don't see scientific support for a claim that water fluoridation causes obesity.

if evidence supports that fluoride can diminish thyroid function, and evidence supports that diminished thyroid function commonly involves weight gain due to diminished metabolic function...that does not for you potentially correlate fluoridation with obesity?
 
Incidentally, if the conversation is now shifted to, "whether water should be fluoridated", from what I can tell that's an entirely different topic from "causes of obesity".
 
Incidentally, if the conversation is now shifted to, "whether water should be fluoridated"...

i have not initiated that subject and am not going there at this time. i simply mentioned fluoride as one of many components that, holistically speaking, should be explored for its role in contributing to widespread morbid obesity.
 

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