How is your approach to unknown dancers?

Cist

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first of all, great news group, nice people, no rude statements, that's pretty unique!! :applause:

maybe i should introduce myself a little bit: i'm 28 and live in Vienna. i have started with salsa about 3 years ago. it's always hard to
rank yourself but i would say when dancing la-style i am at a point where i know more than enough turnpatterns and my actual step in learning process is on one side to flavor the salsa basics with different styles (like popping/locking - hip hop) and on the other side to let the music determine how i am dancing i.e. dancing to the music not over it. Anyhow there are lots and lots of things to learn, but that's also the fun part !!! :lol:

one interesting part for me about dancing, is not to tell the partner verbally what to do while we are dancing. when i ask an unknown person for a dance i will always start with an easy cuban style salsa and raise the level bitwise as we are dancing.

you will pretty soon get a feeling for how advanced your partner is dancing or in which style he/she prefers. then the second dance, assuming both of us enjoyed the dance and the dancing level was satisfactorily (well at this point i have to admit, that i only like to dance la-style with partners who are capable of doing so - i am not talking about combinations or turn patterns, just advanced basics, e.g. watch and catch my hands, do exactly what she is told *sounds funny when writing* but also to be able to dance by herself when it's shine time), could be la-style salsa just to see what happens. I mean there is nothing wrong with dancing cuban style all night, especially here in Vienna only few people dance la-style and very very few dance la-style such way, that you wanna look at them for the entire dance.

but there are though 2 different kind of dances in "my world" and I like both.

cuban style: fun evening, getting new people to know, chatting a little bit while dancing, teach sbdy who is new to salsa, etc ...it's more the social part - you can't really mess it up because of the constant flow.

la style: my favourite, very cool and smooth looking dance if you dance it right, you can express yourself, bring in your own style, hit the breaks in the music (that's actual what makes a dance look beautifull) - but it's also not that easy to pass critcal observers when aside of you an average cuban couple dances.


these were just some thoughts, i would be interested to read, how your approach is, when dancing with unknown people. 8)


cheers
 
hello Cist..

well, ofcourse it relative ... as for me.. if i had seen the lady dance b4 i get to dance with her then i pretty much know where to start interms of style .. and usually thats how it happens with me..

but if i never saw her, i will start with the basic , taking my time in getting a feel for her and so on.. and as u say .. develop it from there

as for style preference.. well, it depends first on the music played .. then upon the salseras responses.. but on an absolute basis and for a while now it has been afro-cuban.. altho i think of myself as a 'freestyler'..jumping from one style to the next and also adding stuff from other dances.. it is with cuban ritmos that i have most fun..

altho, for me .. LA on 1 is easier and less representative of salsa spirit, i can see how it is a very cool dance as well.. but, in cuban.. in addition to its natural flavor u have along way to challenge your sense of ritmo and body ability and timing and co-ordination with partner.. since u move every muscle thru-out the dance .. play the funky ritmo like a musician with the body and play with the different tiempos.. u can be on 1.. on 2 .. contr-clave... dance on clave etc.. its not just moving the hips or shoulders in a certain way or side to side..there is so much variety which in my view makes it richer.. but then again thats my opinion .. i think afro-cuban danced in its high levels by couples pauses serious challenges for a salser@.. more than LA and NY styles.. even tho i luv both styles as well and appreciate them .. yet.. at least for the current stage i'm in.. afro-cuban jam is where its at 8)
 
Welcome to DF, Cist! :D

Cist said:
i would be interested to read, how your approach is, when dancing with unknown people. 8)
As a follower, I appreciate the leader starting easy and raising the bar gradually as we check each other's dance style (and by that I don't mean LA/Cuban/etc. -- more about the lead-follow style, preferences, etc.). Then again, sometimes you click with the partner almost instantly, and if the music is good, I get all fired up, like "full throttle -- go, go, go!!"

Cist said:
but there are though 2 different kind of dances in "my world" and I like both.

cuban style: fun evening, getting new people to know, chatting a little bit while dancing, teach sbdy who is new to salsa, etc ...it's more the social part - you can't really mess it up because of the constant flow.

la style: my favourite, very cool and smooth looking dance if you dance it right, you can express yourself, bring in your own style, hit the breaks in the music (that's actual what makes a dance look beautifull) - but it's also not that easy to pass critcal observers when aside of you an average cuban couple dances.
I live in a rather unusual scene, which has two centres. Edinburgh is mostly LA style, like many UK cities, but Glasgow has a high concentration of Cuban-style schools, and I can tell you that advanced-level Cuban-style salsa can be serious stuff. I don't think in terms of "Cuban = easy / LA = hard" at all. They have slightly different lead-follow dynamics. A follower who only knows LA style can get all tangled up in those complicated arm-twisting turn patterns. I must say I love both styles -- each has its own beauty. As Sabor says, music is a major factor. Some songs have a strong Cuban flavour, while others are ideal for LA style dancing.
 
well, i fully: agree music is one of the most important factors when dancing:

music decides: - what style (i.e. cuban, la,...) i'll dance
- with whom
- if solo or together
- speed
- accent
- what version (is it fun music, then i would probable try to dance fun, is it serious, then the dance would be some kind of conservative)
- if i would like to dance at all!?! (if i don't like the song, it's waste of my energy and waste of space on the dance floor other people could use)
- how i feel when dancing.




the other thing is: i would never dare to say, cuban style is the easier dance compared to la-style or whatever because i know, every so called dance just carries the framework. the difficulty is always determined by the dancer himself. I have seen people dancing bachata in a way i will never manage to do. (well never say never but i think i made my point). and that's not because bachatas' basic step itself is that hard to learn but because there is somebody out there who is able to do it better, prettier, or what ever than the average.

back to topic, the reason why cuban style seems to be easier for me than la-style is because there are no teachers here who teach advanced cuban style. what you learn is pretty easy and not very challenging. the only way to expand your cuban knowledge is, to attend the rueda style course and integrate the tons of combinations you can learn there. but really nobody cares or shows you how to style cuban. although i have been around a little bit in the salsa world, i haven't yet seen any cuban style idol but i am still looking forward to this moment.

therefore, much love to all styles. they are all equally good, what differ are peoples' flavour and their ability to dance.

:lol:
 
Cist said:
the reason why cuban style seems to be easier for me than la-style is because there are no teachers here who teach advanced cuban style. ... I haven't yet seen any cuban style idol but i am still looking forward to this moment.

Hi Cist and welcome to DF! What are you doing the weekend of November 5-8? :wink: :twisted: :lol:

From the Annual Salsa Congresses & Events thread

November 5-8 --- Salsa Cubana 2 (Parkfield, England)
www.ccbr02442.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/pontins.htm

INSTRUCTORS
From Cuba
Special guest & dance master, Freddy Garcia, Rafael & Janet, Osbanis, Damarys, Juan Munoz, Kerry Ribchester, Sue Milner, James Perez, Miguel Ansaras, Piera Campoine, Ramona

Djs: Banderas, Os & Miguel

WORKSHOPS
CUBAN: Salsa, La Rueda, Rumba, Cha Cha, Templeque, Styling, Afro-Cuban, Technicque

COMPETITIONS: Rueda & Salsa

(There are some photos of Rafael and Janet in the Photo Album :D )
 
Hi Cist and welcome to DF! What are you doing the weekend of November 5-8?

sounds great, but i am going to east coast one week later, so i don't think i can manage that in terms of money :lol: . but i am looking forward to the ny/nj salsa festival on 26th of november. i am very excited and curious about dancing in the us.[/quote]
 
Cist said:
sounds great, but i am going to east coast one week later - i am looking forward to the ny/nj salsa festival on 26th of november. i am very excited and curious about dancing in the us.

:lol: Okay, if I had a choice, I would do NY/NJ too. If I had maximum choice, I would do both! A few DFers are going so maybe you can link up with them. :D
 
Pacion said:
Cist said:
sounds great, but i am going to east coast one week later - i am looking forward to the ny/nj salsa festival on 26th of november. i am very excited and curious about dancing in the us.

:lol: Okay, if I had a choice, I would do NY/NJ too. If I had maximum choice, I would do both!
Same here... but at the moment it doesn't look like I can do either of them :cry:
Quite a few people I know are going to Salsa Cubana, and it does sound very tempting...
 

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