How to balance parenting/family demands with dance addiction?

This came up in a different thread, but it's definitely a topic applicable to enough of us to deserve its own. Thank you @fascination for suggesting it!

How many of you have been told something like this by your kids or partner:
  • "you love dancing more than you love me"
  • "you're never home any more - all you do is dance"
  • "why don't you ever talk about anything but dancing?"
  • "you spend so much money on dance lessons - can you still afford to pay college tuition/make retirement contributions/pay the mortgage?"
  • (etc.)
And how many of you have changed (or bowed out of) your family's plans because a dance event popped up that you wanted to do instead? Or the opposite - cancelled your participation in a scheduled (and paid for) dance event because you felt it was more important to be with your family at that time?

How do we respond to questions and comments like the ones at the top?

How do we weigh our own desire for personal fulfillment through dancing (after all, dance is not just physical activity) against the needs or wants of those we love, and for whom we are (to varying degrees) responsible?
 
Thanks for raising this topic, Perfection.

Concerning children: dancing is too often left over to profs and organizers. We should take the initiative, we should offer socials that we can bring our children along. My children saw me dancing socially for years. I rented a room and informed all the dancers with kids at the same age.

Concerning life partners: that of course is a sensible topic. Naturally, there is a lot of jealousy and misconceptions. I always advocated that dancing life partners should have their own dance partners, teachers, classes, speed and experience. Non-dancing life partners should as well be integrated into the scene: let them organize the drinks, music, rooms. Transparency is very important!
 
How many of you have been told something like this by your kids or partner:
  • "you love dancing more than you love me"
  • "you're never home any more - all you do is dance"
  • "why don't you ever talk about anything but dancing?"
  • "you spend so much money on dance lessons - can you still afford to pay college tuition/make retirement contributions/pay the mortgage?"
  • (etc.)
I'm not a parent, but I am a partner. I feel extremely lucky that only one of these has happened to me: the very first one.

I've often told my story of how I learned to dance with my wife as my partner, and how she quit for a few years to focus her energy and attention on completing her PhD. She returned to dance later, but in the meantime I had established a partnership with someone else.

The part of the story I don't usually tell is how difficult it was to navigate her return.

You see, wife and I learned Standard together, and we loved the style. Never wanted to try another. So when my coach paired me with someone much more skilled than me, Standard was the style we started with, because the gap between us was narrowest.

Problem is, that partnership was (and is) ridiculously harmonious. I can honestly say I have never been on a team with a better dynamic, with respect to shared goals, similar attitudes to work and competition, and temperamental compatibility all at once (and I've been on a great many teams, as a lifelong athlete). Fortunately, my temperamental compatibility is even higher with my wife, but when it comes to dance goals and work attitudes, we do not line up perfectly--we both need to make some compromises for the sake of the partnership.

So when my wife came back, she wanted to take up Standard again. But I was not willing to throw away my competitive partnership, and that's when she said "you love dancing more than you love me."

Luckily, the story has a happy ending. We decided to test-drive Smooth for a while, and it turns out that that style is more fulfilling of her desire to be expressive, and better for our strengths and interests as a couple. Had that not come to pass, my ultimate decision would have been to drop my Standard partnership...and I would feel obliged to mask my deep sadness about it forever. A choice between bad outcomes on that path, but at least I was aware of the cost I'd be paying.


And how many of you have changed (or bowed out of) your family's plans because a dance event popped up that you wanted to do instead? Or the opposite - cancelled your participation in a scheduled (and paid for) dance event because you felt it was more important to be with your family at that time?
A mix of both.

There are a handful dance events on the calendar that are "non-negotiable". My other life events have to get out of the way for those. Practices and lessons, by contrast, are totally mutable; my only goal there is to make every effort to reschedule rather than cancel. "Lesser events", which cannot be rescheduled, I attend in an opportunistic fashion. I'll cancel one for a family event without fuss.

But for once-in-a-lifetime events like a marriage or significant birthday? I cancel even a major dance event. I'm still fairly young and healthy, so I feel confident I'll have lots more dance chances in my life.

Then again, nothing I said above falls into the category of "popped up unexpectedly and I canceled other plans to attend." I've almost never done that, in either direction. But I doggedly insist on following through with my commitments, no matter how minor, as a rule. Dance events don't get any greater or lesser consideration in that regard.

(which is not some kind of humble-brag virtue statement or anything. I just don't like changing plans; it always makes me feel unhappy and insecure to some degree)


How do we respond to questions and comments like the ones at the top?

How do we weigh our own desire for personal fulfillment through dancing (after all, dance is not just physical activity) against the needs or wants of those we love, and for whom we are (to varying degrees) responsible?
For me, it's case-by-case most of the time. Dance is always going to be there, so the question is how much I need it right now. Since it is a form of meditation for me, I count it as a self-care activity, and my need for self-care fluctuates depending on the other events in my life.

If it is a question of need or responsibility, on the other hand, dance must take a back seat. Because dance will still be there tomorrow, but my loved ones won't be if I don't do what's necessary to keep them safe and well.
 
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How many of you have been told something like this by your kids or partner:
  • "you love dancing more than you love me"
  • "you're never home any more - all you do is dance"
  • "why don't you ever talk about anything but dancing?"
  • "you spend so much money on dance lessons - can you still afford to pay college tuition/make retirement contributions/pay the mortgage?"
  • (etc.)
I'm happy to say, none.

Smug, but simply by managing life and keeping it in balance.

A colleague once mooted that most people could afford one expensive pastime (ok, computers/IT/databases/security were generally well paid, and not everyone is in that position). That could be golf, horse riding, traction engines, fast cars, travel, expensive cycles, dance, fast ......, etc. You work to live, not live to work (this is from Europe!). If any one thing gets over-emphasized, then it all starts to go wrong. The only solution is to get it back in balance. That might mean a severe change, but ideally it's just a bit of tuning.

I know we're never going to be world dance champions, but we can still enjoy it recreationally - and take life accordingly.
 
Concerning children....We should take the initiative, we should offer socials that we can bring our children along.

I don’t know... I’ve seen pre-teen kids waiting for their moms to finish dancing. I felt sorry for them (kids). They were obviously tired, it was late, the music was too loud for them, and they had school next morning. I’ve also seen little kids running around the dance floor being stepped on and parents just smiled and thought it was adorable. I am not a big fan of kids in the dance studio on a regular night unless they are actually dancing. And yes, I do have kids on my own, so I don’t hate kids, I just don’t like them in the studio. That’s where I draw the line - if choosing between staying home with kids or go dancing with kids, I would never choose the latter. That’s why I waited until my son was 16 before I started ballroom. And I only did 1 lesson per week initially until he was off to college. Family is more important.
 
It is important to your children to have your own hobby and passion. To be happy as a human. A lot of women silence that part of them until their kid is 18. Parents don't have to be perfect. American parents have been more and more sacrificial and attentive to their children and instead the current generation of college kids are more likely to be anxious, suicidal and on anti-depressant drugs. So, the whole matyr/helicopter parent paradigm doesn't work.

This article from the Atlantic is great: https://www.theatlantic.com/press-r...ild-and-the-crisis-of-modern-parenting/609901

The Anxious Child, and the Crisis of Modern Parenting
In The Atlantic’s May issue, Kate Julian reports on the rise of anxiety and depression in children, and why changes in parenting may be one key to the solution.
 
I had signed up for all 3 nights, but then my daughter asked to have her 18th birthday party on this Friday night instead of Saturday (Sat. is her actual bday). So I told Pro I can’t come to the dance this Friday.
With a shocked look, he demanded, “why?!?”
“Because my daughter will turn 18 only once, and I’m not gonna miss that.”
His face relaxed. “Oh, okay. No problem.”
There’s a series of 9 posts in a row, starting with the one above, from another thread. But due to the topic, they also belong here, as they will likely be useful to readers interested in the dance/parenting thought process.
 
My husband does get frustrated with the time and money spent. It's taken a while, but he's much more understanding now. I do have to remind him of all the time I spend at home and he is sitting playing video games when he complains about me being out dancing or downstairs practicing. He's a bit overly sensitive, and i'm can be a bit demanding/overbearing, so we both navigate around our personalities. I realized it's been 10 years i've been doing this, however, and while I will have some college to pay for soon, things will only slow down, not stop. My parents and sisters are used to it now as well.

I have hard and fast rules about specific dates - no lessons or events on our anniversary, my husband or the kids' birthdays, or on the days we celebrate my sisters/parents birthday. and nothing on the 4th of july weekend ever, that's my husband's fav holiday. (so never Manhattan for me, lol).

It's hard for people to understand - one of my studio friends/client mentioned that her son watched the livestream of the showdances and listened to the commentary. And after that he called her and told her that he now understood why she's been doing this, that it's not just dancing, but instead some sort of fulfillment that people needed in their life. And that everyone had different reasons for doing it and enjoying it. Which i thought was wonderful for her and for him to understand.

Maybe inviting family to an event (post covid) so she can meet other dancers and hear why they do it would help?
 
My husband does get frustrated with the time and money spent.
Mine doesn’t actually know how much money I’m spending. This is the second marriage for both of us, & we came into it 12 years ago with separate bank accounts & just kept things that way. We share the joint household expenses but pay for our own fun stuff ourselves. He knows how much I earn, because we file joint tax returns; and he knows how much I contribute to my SEP IRA each year, for the same reason. As long as I don’t decrease my retirement contributions, and do continue to pay my share of the household bills, his attitude is that he doesn’t need (or want) to know how much I’m spending on other things.

And it’s intentional ignorance on his part. He knows how much lessons cost at my studio, because we discussed it back when we started lessons together. It was one of several reasons he didn’t want to continue: he didn’t enjoy it enough to make the expenditure worthwhile for him. He has told me that he prefers not to know exactly how much I spent on an event/dress/shoes/block of lessons/etc.

But despite this, he’s still supportive. When the studio recently offered its annual “super-special-discount-price-lessons,” I hemmed and hawed about whether to purchase a large block. On one hand, if I’m gonna buy and use a lot of lessons (which I know from experience that I am [barring injuries]), then it’s smart to buy them when the cost is at its lowest all year. On the other hand, what if the studio might have to shut down again due to Covid? I remember how nervous I was last spring, seeing studios closing, knowing I might not get my money back. He pointed out that we can never know what might happen in the future, so we shouldn’t live our lives expecting the worst. He also pointed out how happy I’ve been for the last year and a half, and he likes seeing me happy (as the t-shirt says, “if momma ain’t happy, ain’t nobody happy”).

This attitude, from a man who feels sick after spending $100 on a pair of running shoes every other year, is priceless.

Anyway, I’m very lucky that the only person who tries to make me feel guilty about dance is my teenage daughter, not my spouse. And she doesn’t do it all the time. And she’ll be starting college next fall. (Oh!!! Almost forgot to mention - she received her early acceptance notification from the state university yesterday!!! Still waiting to hear from the other university she applied to, which is much harder to get in to. Fingers crossed.)
 
I don’t know... I’ve seen pre-teen kids waiting for their moms to finish dancing. I felt sorry for them (kids)

What I see is parents waiting for kids to finish their dance instruction/competitions, etc. I ask them, “what about you? Why aren’t YOU dancing?” That’s ten times more common than the scenario where the kid is waiting for the parent to finish.
 
This came up in a different thread, but it's definitely a topic applicable to enough of us to deserve its own. Thank you @fascination for suggesting it!

How do we weigh our own desire for personal fulfillment through dancing (after all, dance is not just physical activity) against the needs or wants of those we love, and for whom we are (to varying degrees) responsible?
This is a good question and it relates not only to dance. I believe that couples should preserve separate identities and depend LESS on each other than the traditional view of marriage implies. Both should remain interesting and vivid in their own right—not because of the person next to him/her. You are not one person. You are two unique individuals. You shouldn’t exploit each other and pretend your whole world is only the other person. That is a huge burden to carry after the initial honeymoon phase passes.

So my answer to the question is: you fulfill your needs; that makes you stronger and more interesting to your spouse. You don’t have to do everything together. You go dancing with other men/women; you have friendships with members of the opposite sex; you continue enjoying each other not as people who would drown on their own, but because you continue to delight and surprise each other. Obviously there are moments when your presence and support are needed! But it’s not all of the time.

If dance (or any other healthy undertaking) is important to a husband or wife (more often, it’s the wife) the spouse should respect it and encourage it as part of that person’s identity.

I sometimes ask myself: “if I hadn’t been married to my wife 22 years and met her for the first time today, would I fall in love with her?” The answer is “Absolutely yes, inside 10 seconds, like the first time around.”
 
....parents waiting for kids to finish their dance... ask them.. Why aren’t YOU dancing?
I always avoided waiting for my kids. Many parents in my area see their purpose in standing on the sidelines and cheering on their children to play (international) football. I thought it was terrible, I always wanted to play myself, not just watch. All the same with dancing. My children saw me dancing, in classes, at socials or even flash mobs. I think that's how they developed a relaxed relationship with dancing.
 

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