How to improve musicality

..a video by ...from Lo de Celia Tango Club.. playing the song "Nada Mas" by D'Arienzo/Echagüe..

Honestly my friend, that is a truly remarkable comment. I always slip into gross defamation and have been reprimanded several times by the administrators of DF. But you have mastered the graceful foil of insidious superiority, called irony. With just two sentences you skillfully combined the self-proclaimed terrier of authentic tango, the heart chamber of social tango, the last dancing native witnesses, and the fanfare of ecstatic catharsis, with the awkward imagery of unmusical stumbling on holy grounds. Chapeau!
 
I'm not sure if this familiarity with a piece of music even existed in the golden era.
A woman I dance with turned 85 recently and has been dancing since her late teens, mostly in BsAs. So, she was there, say, 65 years ago, call it the mid-to-late 1950s. It's the end of the Golden Age, but I think it still counts.

Anyway, just Saturday night (a few days ago), she was telling us how a Pugliese performance was like seeing the Rolling Stones or the Beatles in the 1960s: Everybody knew all the tunes. Everybody sang along with the ones with words. People shouted requests for tunes they'd heard on the radio. Girls even tossed underwear at the orquesta (she claimed she tossed her bra).

This wasn't some stuffy ballroom, but a rowdy barrio dancehall.

So, my suspicion is that ordinary people didn't just know the music but memorized it a lot like nightclub hits today.
 

..like nightclub hits today..
The golden age was a phenomenon of pop culture and, now I quote myself, the low point of tango history. I ask forgiveness to all those who feel hurt in their feelings, in their tango education, and in their obligations to their argentine teachers by this statement.
 
The golden age was a phenomenon of pop culture and, now I quote myself, the low point of tango history. I ask forgiveness to all those who feel hurt in their feelings, in their tango education, and in their obligations to their argentine teachers by this statement.
You haven't hurt my feelings, at least!

I dance tango because I enjoy the movement mechanics of tango steps, like the texture of tango music, and need an excuse to get out of the house rather than work all the time. None of those reasons are "to explore the cultural traditions of Argentine dance handed down from the 1930s through 1950s." I'm vocal on these forums about my indifference that last bit. A lot of that comes from the fact that I live and dance in Canada in the 2020s, so those traditions don't resonate with my life experiences. My father was the historian in our family. ;)

Inasmuch as I'm aware of tango's cultural traditions, they're those recounted to me orally not by foreigners who go to Argentina – tourists, however many years they spend there – but by expats who've moved here from Argentina. Maybe I know a rough lot or a bunch of weirdos (it's possible . . . I could select for them), but they don't talk about people dressed up for a ball and following a bunch of conservative traditions. It's all pop culture . . . the older ones talk about rowdy live performances by the greats that sound like rock concerts to me, the younger ones talk about tango being just another genre of music played at clubs.

And that's fine by me.

My background is working class, and I'm barely middle class today. The music of my youth was punk rock. Politically, I'm a lefty leveller. En français, I'm an unrepentant tutoyeur. Formality doesn't sit well with me.

So, I'm proud to live and dance at the low point . . . which ironically makes my experience more authentic than the one involving shiny shoes and ballroom codes, if my expat friends are to be believed.
 
I acquired musicality through self-study, all group courses were confusing and pointless because I need repetition at my own pace. In retrospect, the book and DVD by Joaquín Amenábar helped me to understand the structure of tango music and suitable dancing:
This book and his exercises helped me to recognize for the first time in 10 years of tango the ONE!
My dancing and leading was still commented to be musical! (!??! :) )

I do not read the book anymore but I tap through the audio exercises directly from the audio files every now and then.
 
In order to correctly assess the importance of musicality, one can turn off the sound in a video of a milonga and try to recognize characteristic passages in the music.

To be on the safe side, a video from a milonga by @jantango, titled "The best milonga in Buenos Aires is Lo de Celia Tango Club". And the song "Nada Mas" by D'Arienzo/Echagüe is well known and has enough characteristic passages.

Code:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uScpMc-C9oo
(Must be watched directly on YouTube, embedding in a website is not permitted)

Honestly my friend, that is a truly remarkable comment. I always slip into gross defamation and have been reprimanded several times by the administrators of DF. But you have mastered the graceful foil of insidious superiority, called irony. With just two sentences you skillfully combined the self-proclaimed terrier of authentic tango, the heart chamber of social tango, the last dancing native witnesses, and the fanfare of ecstatic catharsis, with the awkward imagery of unmusical stumbling on holy grounds. Chapeau!


When I have listen to followers coming back from BA the message has been that the high musicality is not the thing, variation of figures and steps is not the thing but the abrazo and connection is!

You have told that there are several styles with different goals in BA but it could be that in this milonga their goal is to be the King of the Connection!

If you keep the music analysis and figure content modest you will more easily reach the flow/ intuitive dancing. When the navigation has also got into flow mode your experience will increase even more. Think of a whole pista in a stable state of flow!

There are studies on musicians playing together with recognized synchronization of brain waves. It seems that when people cooperate they start to synchronize the brains. I have seen one video showing an experiment on tango dancing couples and synchronizing was happening there more or less.

Think of a situation when you are synchronized with your partner AND with brains dancing around you, What an experience it could be!
 
When I have listen to followers coming back from BA the message has been that the high musicality is not the thing, variation of figures and steps is not the thing but the abrazo and connection is!
I've often heard that, too, from both leaders and followers. I can even see it in many dancers from there: They hug nicely and it looks comfortable, but to me the steps look like a repetitive way to express simple musicality. I asked a couple of the leaders about this and they were surprisingly in agreement: Their goal is to avoid steps or musicality that pose any danger of being too unfamiliar, complex, or challenging for the follower, as that would break connection.

My problem is that I came to tango mainly for the complexity and technicality of the steps and music. I'm no fan of endless vocabulary, but I do dislike repetition and strict adherence to the compás with no regard for complex rhythms or harmonies, and with no deliberate departures to create contrast.
If you keep the music analysis and figure content modest you will more easily reach the flow/ intuitive dancing. When the navigation has also got into flow mode your experience will increase even more. Think of a whole pista in a stable state of flow!
I think this is true, and why I'm often frustrated with traffic on the floor (which is what my first post here was about): Too many people are attempting steps and complex musicality they haven't perfected yet. As a result, they have poor flow and control, and disrupt traffic.

Unfortunately for me, I guess, the solution I'd prefer – people working hard via lessons, coaching, practice, and similar deliberate learning tools to make their steps and expression second-nature – isn't realistic. Most people don't want to do the work. That leaves the solution which I like considerably less: Everybody dances simple stuff.

Of course, neither solution shows up often in reality where I live and dance. People refuse to dance simple stuff but also to work on complex stuff, so overall flow on the floor rarely happens.
 
I've often heard that, too, from both leaders and followers. I can even see it in many dancers from there: They hug nicely and it looks comfortable, but to me the steps look like a repetitive way to express simple musicality. I asked a couple of the leaders about this and they were surprisingly in agreement: Their goal is to avoid steps or musicality that pose any danger of being too unfamiliar, complex, or challenging for the follower, as that would break connection.
Thank you for sharing this! Appreciated!
My problem is that I came to tango mainly for the complexity and technicality of the steps and music.
This is definitely me but I have never seen it as a problem. I am interested to develop different kind of dances and I let them out at different milongas/practicas and with different followers. The music is also driving different kind of movements and in an ideal case the dj knows the difference; what is suitable for an event and plays it.

and why I'm often frustrated with traffic on the floor
I am not good at this now when most of my dance is under reconstruction. New things make the reactions, adaptations slower. Earlier I worked on figures doing them in M, S and xxS sizes. When I get my volgadas/colgadas going I will try them at normal size and as small as a few cm off axis. When I can naturally adapt the size to fit to the space available I can run my dance without the/with less feeling of others impact forced on me.
In very few occasions you can have impact on a rough sea so the only option left is to skillfully manage the boat. Repeating this to myself . . .
 
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...If you keep the music analysis and figure content modest you will more easily reach the flow/ intuitive dancing... Think of a whole pista in a stable state of flow!
Flow is not a desirable state for the Ronda. I know flow experiences from climbing very well. The head is largely switched off, the brain relies on nothing unexpected happening. Body awareness is reduced, so you don't notice when you go beyond your physical limits. All of these are borderline experiences. I don't need that for tango. Tango is not a substitute for meditation, not a borderline experience, not forgetting about oneself.
 
Think of a whole pista in a stable state of flow!

If you've been on DF for quite a while, you might remember that I had one evening in Lo de Celia. I will not forget walking into the room and seeing everyone very obviously dancing to the same music. It was a beautiful sight that will stay with me as long as my mental abilities stay with me.
(The only other times I see the same being in sync with the music is when people are doing a line dance but it hardly compares.)
 

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