I can't believe this!

motardmom

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Who says you don't learn new things about your spouse after being married for a long time?

My dh and I have been married for 9+ years. Just tonight, about an hour ago, he revealed to me that he actually had a ballroom dance class in college 12 years ago! :shock: :?: :o I'm so blown away! I had no idea! He said he doesn't like to talk about it because he failed. :( I tried to gently suggest that perhaps his teacher taught him with the assumption that he could naturally hear the rhythm of the music, and I told him about DWise1 and his experience with learning musicality, yadda yadda. My dh is generally quite sensitive about his rhythm problem, it has caused him a lot of grief over the years. We had a light conversation but at the first indication that the conversation was taking a turn for the worse, I dropped it totally.

Baby steps.... *sigh* Maybe one day he'll be open to the idea of taking lessons and maybe we'll find a teacher as sensitive to the needs of their students as the person who taught DW1.....
 
motardmom said:
My dh and I have been married for 9+ years. Just tonight, about an hour ago, he revealed to me that he actually had a ballroom dance class in college 12 years ago! :shock: :?: :o
So there's hope... at least dancing was something he wanted to try.

motardmom said:
He said he doesn't like to talk about it because he failed. :( I tried to gently suggest that perhaps his teacher taught him with the assumption that he could naturally hear the rhythm of the music, and I told him about DWise1 and his experience with learning musicality, yadda yadda. My dh is generally quite sensitive about his rhythm problem, it has caused him a lot of grief over the years. We had a light conversation but at the first indication that the conversation was taking a turn for the worse, I dropped it totally.
Persuading a guy to try something he's decided he cannot do is always tricky... tends to become a bit of a pride/self esteem issue, especially when he knows that something means a lot to his SO. I think you are right taking it slowly and trying not to upset him. You want him to know that, even though you would love the idea of dancing with him, it's not a big deal for you if that doesn't happen. I hope he will have a go one day though.

Good luck, Motardmom.
 
That's great news motordmom. As a guy I can empathise. It is not as easy, and in many ways it is harder than for a gal. I agree that it si all about babby steps. Just dancing around or goofing to the music may help. If you can get him to fool around while music is playing, such as you cooking with music playing, he comes around and... I have done this with ladies who don't think they can dance. Moving to music while not in any way associating it with "dancing", even though they know you are a dancer makes a big difference.

And by the way I'm not always this nice. If my non-dancing non-believing friends come along I go and bug the dancers to dance with them, whether these so-called non-dancers are guys or gals. :twisted: I don't think they quite realize what they get themselves into if they just agree to come along. :)
 
Well... good luck, motardmom!

I can tell you my BF took some Salsa lessons (he is open to the idea)... but he's just not into it! And he completely stopped as of a couple of months ago, since he's been having problems... (his mom died and ... you know...). So at present he just accepts my going out to dance and my teaching... the issue is we hardly ever see each other any more! :?
 
motardmom said:
Baby steps.... *sigh* Maybe one day he'll be open to the idea of taking lessons and maybe we'll find a teacher as sensitive to the needs of their students as the person who taught DW1.....
Actually, I didn't really have such a teacher. My first teacher (intermediate salsa; I know you're tired of that story by now) had been dancing for years as a kid ("L.A. Salsa Kids", if I remember correctly). I just went in assuming that I'd be terrible at it, so I adjusted my attitude to do my best while at the same time not taking my many mistakes too seriously and be ready to laugh at my mistakes and at myself as needed (I've always had a reputation for being the guy who's smiling and laughing all the time, even though my personal life has been hellish these past two years). I relied heavily on my aikido and his counting to make it through. He was very curt with me once for my "Irish salsa" (during warmups I was leaving my arms dangling straight down because I was concentrating on getting the steps) and I still keep them up in all my dances. He also did not offer any guidance on not using my thumbs, which led to a kind of humorous (but sadly typical) altercation with my wife*.

Our next teacher (beginning salsa and ECS) was geared more towards working with beginners, but he also did not work with us on getting the beat or developing rhythm, except for providing the count through the steps.

Our third teacher has a good reputation for working with beginners, but there again after giving us the basic step and rhythm, she would just provide us with the counts, plus break a particular step down count-by-count. Her husband was our next teacher after that and he tended to be rather strict and often gruff (such that my wife stopped going just because of him). Though one night he did explain phrasing.

Now with my current teacher (Lindy), he does work more with beginners on getting the rhythm and on explaining what the music is doing (phrasing) and how to find the 1. But I didn't find him until I'd been on this journey for 2.5 years.

So it wasn't really that a particular teacher had found a way to reach me, but rather that I was working it out for myself all along and incorporating and using anything useful that my teachers would offer, even when that wasn't much more than providing the count so that I could eventually correlate it with the music.

I don't know how much this contributed, but I was taking beginning piano at the same time, so I was getting very much into the habit of thinking about the structure of the music and of counting my way through a piece. I'm sure that it reinforced the counting; I'm just not quite sure whether it had contributed greatly in other ways of helping it all fall into place in my mind.

Of course, I am also the over-analytical type who's always thinking his way through what's going on. As a result, during the weeks I'd not only Google for more information, but I'd also think about the lessons and about certain moves and try to break it all down in my mind and figure it all out. I'm guessing that had to have counted for something too.


[*Footnote: The "thumbs" story.
Like all beginners, I felt that I needed to hold on to my partners' hands, which meant that my thumbs were on the backs of their hands. Then one day in salsa class, my wife and I partnered up in open position, I took her hands as always, and she just yanked her hands out of mine. I looked at her puzzled but she just glared at me, so I tried to take her hands again and she just yanked them away again, saying nothing. I asked her what was wrong and she just told me to look at the teacher's hands. Not knowing that I was supposed to be looking at his thumbs, I couldn't see any difference in what I was doing. So I tried to take her hands again and she yanked them away again. I asked her "What?" and she just indicated to look at his hands. Again I could see no difference, so I tried one more time and she yanked them away yet again. So I went over to partner up with another girl. Everybody was surprised that I would choose this girl over my wife, because even the teacher had problems leading her. She was very strong from weight lifting and because of her karate training her stepping back would turn into a forward stance (kind of like the calf stretch before you go running).
Later on, I tried to get my wife to tell me what was wrong, yet again without success, until another girl (an experienced social dancer) got involved and finally got her to say that it was because of the thumbs.

And that is how I learned about keeping the thumbs off my partner's hands. And that was fairly typical of how my wife would treat me, though this was a somewhat more extreme example. And that was even before she had started hating me.

BTW, every beginning teacher I've had since then establishes the "pop the thumbs off" rule from Day One. ]
 
motardmom wrote: "Who says you don't learn new things about your spouse after being married for a long time?"

Don't stop trying to learn things about your SO. When you think you know all there is to know they'll surprise you, and learning can keep things adventurous, too!


And wrote: "My dh and I have been married for 9+ years. Just tonight, about an hour ago, he revealed to me that he actually had a ballroom dance class in college 12 years ago! :shock: :?: :o I'm so blown away! I had no idea! He said he doesn't like to talk about it because he failed. :("

Oh, no wonder he is struggling with this. It is amazing what a bad experience can do to a person. Makes them shut soemthing off that they might really enjoy. Happened to me with canoeing. First time out wiht my father he took me on a very long trip. I was young and pooped. Didn't like it until I bought a flat water kayak, and learned to take "baby" trips with it. Now, I love being on the water canoeing or kayaking! :D


And also wrote: "I tried to gently suggest that perhaps his teacher taught him with the assumption that he could naturally hear the rhythm of the music, and I told him about DWise1 and his experience with learning musicality, yadda yadda. My dh is generally quite sensitive about his rhythm problem, it has caused him a lot of grief over the years. We had a light conversation but at the first indication that the conversation was taking a turn for the worse, I dropped it totally."

Good move! Baby steps work better. If you can find out what he liked about ballroom dancing, maybe more then one thing, that might be the place to start. If he starts feeling and thinking about the positive stuff he enjoys, he might take other big steps! Just talkiing about it with you was big! I'd take a moment somewhere along the line and just compliment him for sharing the topic, but then move on to something else like cooking is favorite dinner or whatever.
 
BTW, my very first instruction in dance was also early in college, about 33 years ago. I took two semesters of ballroom, mainly to get around the mandatory PhysEd requirement (in high school, I had grown to really hate sports), but I also wanted to learn to dance. I could do the steps, but I could never correlate the steps with the music -- except for the Tango. And from what I remember, she never really talked about the music, but seemed to assume that everybody could hear and follow the beat. Every time I would try to dance, I had this panicked feeling of being lost and unable to figure out where I was in relation to the music, which only made the anxiety caused by my overall uncertainty that much worse.

About all I ever got out of the ballroom classes was the basic etiquette of escorting the girl onto and off of the floor (ie, don't just leave her out there when you're done with her) and a fellow student's story about getting in the choice dances while the rest of the guys are in the bar trying to fill themselves with enough liquid courage to ask a girl for a dance. Since I didn't really learn and retain anything for dancing itself (wasn't the teacher's fault; she just wasn't set up for this special-needs student), I usually exclude these classes from my statement of when I started learning to dance (ie, four years ago).
 
Yes I agree there is hope!

Maybe try taking those baby steps at home, when you are practicing at home, just grab him and do a little dance. He doesnt have to really do anything as long as he sees you smiling and enjoying it, it might just encourage him to ask you for a few pointers :D


I too learnt that my SO had done some dancing in high school! I admit I didnt believe him at first, but there is proof on videotape!
 
ShyDancer said:
Yes I agree there is hope!

Maybe try taking those baby steps at home, when you are practicing at home, just grab him and do a little dance. He doesnt have to really do anything as long as he sees you smiling and enjoying it, it might just encourage him to ask you for a few pointers :D
Now that does sound like a good idea! Start getting him comfortable with it under very low-stress conditions. That way if and when he does migrate onto a public dance floor, he will already have some idea of what to do and it should feel natural for him early on. Just don't practice too many moves at home that you couldn't also do on a public dance floor. [grin]


ShyDancer said:
I too learnt that my SO had done some dancing in high school! I admit I didnt believe him at first, but there is proof on videotape!
Careful. He might cite that same videotape as proof that he wasn't dancing ("You call that dancing? I sure don't!") [grin]
 
I would say just grabbing him at home may not be a good idea. I still say find out what he likes first, and don't rush him. The way to someone's heart is through what they like, and thanking him for telling you his story will encourage him to talk with you on the topic again.

Best Wishes!
 
I agree with DP -- mainly because I did that with my ex once and he really hated me for it.

After that, I only did the "just grab and dance" thing with the cat :lol: (I don't think she liked it either but she was more forgiving :roll:).
 
MacMoto wrote: "I agree with DP -- mainly because I did that with my ex once and he really hated me for it.

After that, I only did the "just grab and dance" thing with the cat :lol: (I don't think she liked it either but she was more forgiving :roll:)."

Thanks MacMoto! Course you could just grab and dance with me? ;)

I wouldn't try it with my cat either. :lol:
 
DancePoet said:
Thanks MacMoto! Course you could just grab and dance with me? ;)
I certainly will when you visit me! :lol: It is my plan to make sure that the next guy I go out with will not mind getting grabbed for a dance :wink:
 

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