If the dry cleaners were to lose your favourite pair of dance trousers...

It's not about "over regulation" if it were regulated it wouldn't spiral out of hand. What has "over regulation" got to do with anything? It's about rich people using their wealth to punish poorer people. He knows these Koreans can never pay those damages, he is trying to put them out of business via legal costs.


The point was about the costs, that it is hard to make a profit and some idiot suing you for stupid money is going to push you over the edge. The regulations are neccessary I don't think people in manual jobs should be treated like animals. That is what happens when you have no limits on your hours and no minimum on your wage.

It's about people with absoloutely no morals wasting tax payers money and making a lot of money for people in insurance and legal services.

In a socialist society we would be looking out for each other instead of our selves. What a pity we are all too selfish to allow it.
 
spectator said:
It's not about "over regulation" if it were regulated it wouldn't spiral out of hand. What has "over regulation" got to do with anything?
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Sorry, I thought that was the argument (where "over-regulation" applies to regulation of a capitalist market) - I may have got confused of course :)

spectator said:
It's about rich people using their wealth to punish poorer people. He knows these Koreans can never pay those damages, he is trying to put them out of business via legal costs.
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I agree.

spectator said:
The point was about the costs, that it is hard to make a profit and some idiot suing you for stupid money is going to push you over the edge. The regulations are neccessary I don't think people in manual jobs should be treated like animals. That is what happens when you have no limits on your hours and no minimum on your wage.
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Mmmm.... dunno if that's true. Most of the exploitation in this world happens in non-democratic countries (China etc.). I don't think a minimum wage / hour limit has a lot to do with it at the sharp end, although it has some effect as a safety net in some countries.

spectator said:
In a socialist society we would be looking out for each other instead of our selves. What a pity we are all too selfish to allow it.
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Pure socialism's been tried quite comprehensively over the 20th century - and to me, it's been proven a comprehensive failure.

Some socialist concepts have migrated to the mainstream, however - mainly to the good, in my view.
 
hmmm i think it's well acknowledged that sweat shops in china are on a par with modrn day slavery....
I think she's got a point in that we need the HSE and minimum wage to prevent people being exploited and employers saying their health etc is less important than profits...
 
Dave Bailey said:
Blimey, that's a lot of cash - but presumably there's a reason for that, from a point of view of insurance rates? I mean, obviously midwives need such insurance, so presumably it's expensive for a (market-related) reason?
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I don't know. I think the problem is the danger of a truly enormous payout: if a birth goes wrong and you're judged to be at fault, even in the UK you could end up paying millions in damages. And then there aren't that many independent midwives, so you don't get that same "spreading of risk" that you might get in other areas.

But I agree it's not so much about over-regulation, it's about unfair lawsuits.

I've been watching the SCO v.s. IBM lawsuit with more than a little horror. How many years has it been going on? How many millions of pages of paperwork? And still no-one really knows what IBM is supposed to have done.
 
Well, there are two issues that are really hot here at the moment, esp as there is an election coming up this year.
First, the current govt brought in WorkChoices. This is where all employees are put on individual contracts and can 'negotiate' with their employer pay, terms and conditions. So, an example is the employer wants to pay you $X, no extra for overtime, no penalty rates for nights or weekends, can be fired without notice for any reason and if you don't sign then 'bye,bye'. How is an individual supposed to 'bargain' with a company when there are many desperate for work? Truly, this is actually happening and I have seen it first hand. Employees have no rights under this system.
In Victoria (state govt) changed the law a few years ago so that if you were injured at work you were covered by Workcare (govt agency to pay med bills etc.,) but you couldn't sue the company separately under common law. Also, public liability laws were altered to make it harder to sue as the premiums skyrocketed. They figured that the harder it was to sue then that would keep premiums low, but they were wrong.
 
:lol: Well, at least he is guaranteed (!) a place in the record books (and of course media time and potential chat show guest appearances!) for the most expensive "pants" law suit!
 
I hope he goes down in the record books as 'The Biggest Jerk In History'. And the greediest.
 
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