Is Pablo ....

[opendoor]

...old-fashioned ?

Recently I have read his Tanguata interview again. He´s a traditionalist, somehow. What do you think?

Here the link to the interview:

http://www.pabloveron.net/PABLOTANGAUTAing.pdf

 

[Steve Pastor]

Thanks a bunch for posting that link. I hadn't seen this one before.
There is that other one that I keep mentioning, with Salas, and it's good to hear from Veron on this, too.

They both seem to have been saying they didn't invent anything, but a way of analyzing what people had been doing for a long time. The more I have learned about the history of tango, the more open I have become to different styles.

It's like our own Skippy Blair, in writing about American Swing dancing that, "The only problem that exists in SWING is when someone decides there is only ONE WAY to dance it. There is never only ONE WAY to do anything ..." "

Argentine Tango has a longer and more thoroughly researched history than our American "Swing". When I see photographs and paintings from other decades, I am just amazed at the diversity of just about everything. Rediscovering the past can look like inventing something new. Especially if you don't know the past.

 

[Angel HI]

Thanks a bunch for posting that link. I hadn't seen this one before. They both seem to have been saying they didn't invent anything, but a way of analyzing what people had been doing for a long time. The more I have learned about the history of tango, the more open I have become to different styles.

It is a good interview. star quality often ticks me off, though. When I say this same thing, I get thrashed. When Salas and/or Veron say it, it's a revelation. No matter, I guess...I'm just glad when persons get it.

There is never only ONE WAY to do anything ..." "

...I am just amazed at the diversity of just about everything. Rediscovering the past can look like inventing something new. Especially if you don't know the past.

:notworth:

 

[opendoor]

Pablo .. an old fashioned dancer ?

.. found this video from 1993 he does a corte in the second half of the video wearing a striped suit.
http://premiumwanadoo.com/mephisto-tango/videos-pabloveron09.html

Never mind my "over analyzing" (as Ampster stated before) ... but again, I compared the early dancing of Pablo Verón with his newer vids.

It is always said, that Pablo is one of the big three at the beginning of Tango Nuevo. But I cannot see anything new in his dancing. Isn´t it pure traditional stage/performance tango (also called Fantasia). Am I wrong? Some time ago Tangonuevo disagreed havily when I wrote that nuevo dancing seems to be only the proletarian offshoot of the more academic stage tango..

But somehow I still find, that Pablo Verón is dancing tango in the follow of Petroleo and Todaro, and that his dancing is not pointing in the direction of what became NeoTango, now.

OD

 

[opendoor]

BG: "Pablo: tango is not a sad thought expressed in dancing but .. "

Here is an interesting report on privates with Pablo. It supports my suggestion of his more academic view and attitude.

http://premiumwanadoo.com/mephisto-tango/uk/uk_article-pabloveron.html

You want to know why I´m still busy with PV? His dancing was one of the first impacts of the post-TA-infected period of my life .. and it is said, that some how you will return to your beginnings: I saw the TangoLesson as an absolutly non-dancer on TV and switched off, because I could not follow the story and the aesthetics of this movie. A few weeks later I got lost in the corridors of an adult education center and found myself in a room again with people dancing TA. The other day I came across the repeat of TangoLesson on TV and could creep right into the screen/scene... I started TA with Milonguero Style right on the dance floor, took lessons later, and changed to Salón, and Neo then. Now I get more and more interested in the way PV is dancing.

OD

 

[Steve Pastor]

Again, Veron, Salas, et al, made a real point of stating that they learned from those who had gone before them. Their contribution was to take it apart and analyze it.
In that sense Veron is an "academic".
The term "Neuvo", as far as I can tell, was originally used to decribe the music of then avant guard musicians such as Pugliese, Piazolla, Salgan, etc. decades ago.
Somehow, the term got slapped onto what "Cosmotango" was doing, and the energetic movements of certain dancers.
Labels are only useful to a certain extent. To me, it's way more important to concentrate on the actual movements of the dance, in all its varieties, and their historic roots, rather than what movement belongs under which style.

Love these links you're posting.

 

[larrynla]

... Veron, Salas, et al, made a real point of stating that they learned from those who had gone before them. Their contribution was to take it apart and analyze it.

I took several classes with Salas when he came to Los Angeles. He said the same thing: Naveira and he were trying to come up with a way to understand what the milongueros did, and help others understand them. Almost accidentally they also deconstructed what those tango dancers did.

Deconstruction in literature means to destructure an artform, to take away the unnecessary connections between its parts to lay bare the essential structure. Once that's done it becomes easier to (re)construct the art form, to combine elements of it which were traditionally kept apart.

Salas and as far as I know Naveira never use the term nuevo tango, and he more than once explicitly said they didn't come up with a new dance, only a new way to look at traditional tango dancing.

Laer Carroll
Shapechanger Tales website

 

[barrefly]

What do you guys think about his "Nexus" routine? I have seen many A.T. performances at salsa congresses and thought this one would fit right in with many of the congress performances. What's confusing is....if Pablo is a traditionist...this type of performance seems contradictory to his artistic values.
Can someone explain his reasoning behind "Nexus"? Is it satire?

 

[opendoor]

Re: nexus

Hi barrefly, added together, I wasn´t swept off my feet when I saw it.

A lot of choreographers try to push the developement of TA forward in mixing, and inventing, and blending .... As opposed to this, I find, that in Nexus all elements (TA, tap-dance, folklore, hip hop) are collocated disparatly next to one another, and are not mixed. It is executed at a very high level. And now I find nothing more to comment on ... ?!




posted another Veron vid at the video section

 

[hbboogie1]

What do you guys think about his "Nexus" routine? I have seen many A.T. performances at salsa congresses and thought this one would fit right in with many of the congress performances. What's confusing is....if Pablo is a traditionist...this type of performance seems contradictory to his artistic values.
Can someone explain his reasoning behind "Nexus"? Is it satire?

To me Nexus is simply a choreographed music video. Pablo reminded me of an Argentine Michael Jackson. I thought it was brilliant but don’t try to dissect it just accept it for what it is…entertainment.
In his interview I agree with what he said about Nuevo dancers it was right on the money.