Lady's heel turn in checked spin turn?

[Josh]

Any thoughts on the pros and cons of dancing the checked spin turn with the lady doing a heel turn, versus just doing a small step onto her right foot?

 

[Warren J. Dew]

That's an interesting idea. The line would be smaller, but higher; I'm not sure which would be better.

The main down side as I see it would be that you don't get a full slip pivot in the exit. Possibly you could blend the check and the exit, though.

 

[Joe]

How do you plan on getting the lady into a heel turn when she isn't going backwards on any of the steps?

 

[Ithink]

That was my question, Joe! I thought: really, a heel turn in a spin turn without me taking any backward steps?

 

[Josh]

How do you plan on getting the lady into a heel turn when she isn't going backwards on any of the steps?

Think running right turn.

 

[Josh]

In Geoffrey Hearn's book/DVD of advanced standard figures, he gives a "checked natural turn" and gives a natural pivot as a precede. Likely he intends it to follow a set of pivots counted 1&23 with the 3 being the man's LF pivot, and then he times the checking action following with a regular 123. So he doesn't call it a checked spin turn, and I guess technically it's not with the above timing. But the lady can be led into a heel turn following a pivot, as in the running right turn, so it most certainly can be done.

 

[Joe]

Think running right turn.

Not the same action as a checked spin though.

 

[Josh]

Not the same action as a checked spin though.

That's exactly why I was asking the opinion of people here on whether such a thing would be feasible or not. As I said before I've never done it this way but often the best new ideas come from bad ones so why not think it out?

 

[Angel HI]

How do you plan on getting the lady into a heel turn when she isn't going backwards on any of the steps?

It is definitely more correct for the man to dance a forward step. Would it not more correct for there to be a small back step before her more typical placing (Josh's point)? I do agree w/ this, though....

That's an interesting idea. The main down side as I see it would be that you don't get a full slip pivot in the exit. Possibly you could blend the check and the exit, though.

 

[Joe]

That's exactly why I was asking the opinion of people here on whether such a thing would be feasible or not. As I said before I've never done it this way but often the best new ideas come from bad ones so why not think it out?

Then why not just grab a lady and try it out?