lessons not satisfying

If I had to choose one or the other, as a leader, I prefer learning from a follower.

I assume that you are referring to private lessons, whereas I was thinking more in terms of a class setting. It would be rare, surely, in a class to dance with the teacher at all?
 
I assume that you are referring to private lessons, whereas I was thinking more in terms of a class setting. It would be rare, surely, in a class to dance with the teacher at all?

Not privates...My current class (and private) teacher has the leaders dance with her during class. Sometimes for an entire song. These are small classes, only 8 people and lead/follow balanced. My prior teachers were a couple and they also danced with the students - not entire songs, just a bit of time here and there to offer advice. Classes were too big - about 28 people and not that well balanced. That was a big problem...

My very first teacher was a follower and very rarely did she dance with the students.
 
Everyone has to start sometime, and you have no track record when you start out. Every first rate teacher had to start somewhere, sometime.

In such social and tight knit environment as Argentine Tango, I can hardly imagine a person who comes out of nowhere and starts teaching from the ground zero. There should be at least some experience as a practica co-host, a class helper, a teaching assistant, a sub, before one starts teaching solo.
And yes, I would prefer someone with a positive track record, but hey it's just me...
 
I would say that every teacher, regardless of gender should be able to demonstrate to a professional standard as either leader or follower. If they can't, they shouldn't be teaching at all.

Word.

Does anyone have a view about the effectiveness of solo teachers generally? I prefer to receive instruction from a teaching couple, but rarely because of gender-specific teaching issues, but because of the quantity of teaching input then available. A teacher with a non-teaching partner is not the same. But given a solo teacher, is there really any advantage in either gender?

I had great lessons from both male and female solo teachers.
 
if anybody else has an idea in this direction please spill it.

The only other idea I have os for you to read as much as you can here of the technique threads that have been posted. We've had endless discussions (and endless disagreements) on various moves, technique, and fundamental stuff. Even though we don't always agree, at least you can read the reasoning behind people's various opinions.

And while you're asking questions in class, ask all you want here too!
 
Does anyone have a view about the effectiveness of solo teachers generally? I prefer to receive instruction from a teaching couple, but rarely because of gender-specific teaching issues, but because of the quantity of teaching input then available. A teacher with a non-teaching partner is not the same. But given a solo teacher, is there really any advantage in either gender?

Seems like this is a subject for its own thread. I'm sure it will gernate lots of opinions, most of which aren't relevant to the OP's posts and question.
 
The only other idea I have os for you to read as much as you can here of the technique threads that have been posted. We've had endless discussions (and endless disagreements) on various moves, technique, and fundamental stuff. Even though we don't always agree, at least you can read the reasoning behind people's various opinions.

And while you're asking questions in class, ask all you want here too!

there is a good guide for technque here;
http://sites.google.com/site/tangomilongaleicester/the-secret-of-how-to-dance-t-a-n-g-o
 
Blimey, where'd all these posts come from?

yes this is actually what i expected.
Well, if you're living near Berkhamsted... :)

i think the teacher said gato (male cat). The follower "rubs" her leg/shoe on the leaders leg like a cat.
Huh, well that's a new term for me. I've always referred to that as a "lustrada" or Caricias.

Either way, it's a bit silly to teach that in a beginner course.

It sounds like you're doing everything else well, so I'd say stick with your instincts and do what you're doing yourself.
 
I TOTALLY disagree. I have never attended a class where questions were unwelcome, and if I did, I'd shout to the high hills that the teacher is an &#*$. Almost every teacher I have had for tango actually asked the class if anyone had a question.
Yep. And typically this is met by total silence - which, for a teacher, is pretty depressing.

I love questions, they show that people are actually thinking about the topic, and help me improve my own teaching by showing me what has not been clear. Yes, very occasionally I have to say "errr... I'll get back to you on that", but most of the time they're helpful.
 
i think the teacher said gato (male cat). The follower "rubs" her leg/shoe on the leaders leg like a cat.

I've come across this expression before, but in a different context.

One of the local teachers here refers to 'El Gato' as a well-known traditional opening move. Leader opens with a sidestep to his left, and a forward step on RF outside the follower, commencing a turn to the L (leading the follower into the sidestep of a giro). This 'turning' version of what appears to be steps 2&3 of an 8CB (:() is what he calls 'El Gato'.

Usually, almost anything this particular teacher says can be traced back to one of the Cote/Garcia DanceVision Tango DVDs, but I've drawn a blank on this one, and I've not found anything to support the suggestion that it is a well-known opening. Has anyone else come across it?

BTW, I'd endorse the views of several others, here, in relation to the OP's issue: find another teacher! (but get what you can out of the remainder of the course you have already paid for).
 
If I had to choose one or the other, as a leader, I prefer learning from a follower. When I dance with her I get instant feedback - she will quickly identify and correct what needs fixing, most importantly whether my lead is clear or not.

A man acting as follower may be able to tell me these things but I have had much better results with "full-time" followers.

huh! of course a good follower can give you technique, but if they cant lead...phuut! as the French say.......

at a practica I was coaching a tanguera in the giro, and I was encoraging her to get her steps to flow, okay like this and I did some giros around her to demonstrate, "You dance it better than I do" she laughed..but she got it.... :tongue:
 
I assume that you are referring to private lessons, whereas I was thinking more in terms of a class setting. It would be rare, surely, in a class to dance with the teacher at all?

maybe not a whole song, but i patrol the class when they're practicing and will often dance the lead part with a leader so he will know what it feels like..teaching by osmosis...
or with a follower to sort out her problems...
 

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