Lost to Couple Dancing Out of Category

Purr said:
Pardon my stupidity, but is this just for standard? Or all categories?
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it was for smooth...lol, no one had better let go of their partner in standard...for other reasons;) ....but anyhow, I danced for 4 days and their were signs and announcements that I recall on several occasion in more than one style
 
Laura said:
It sucks. One thing you could do is write a letter to Sam telling him what happened, and asking if the event was invigilated. There's not really anything that can be done about this year, but perhaps it will keep the invigilator on their toes for next year (or perhaps it will make sure the event is invigilated next year).
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And send a copy of the tape so they have the opportunity to check it out, or else this board will be discussing it and not the parties who can make a difference.
 
fascination said:
...dunno, but I will say that I dance in closed bronze scholarships at a big comp against a woman who that evening went out and danced the open scholarship...
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It may have been difficult for you to see because you were dancing at the same time in the Bronze event, but did the woman stick to Bronze figures in the Bronze event? She may very well have both "closed" and "open" choreography and switches back and forth depending on the event.

Hmm - so if you're Pro is planning to work with you on all dances in all styles, are you going to be REALLY ambitious and work out 38 routines (closed AND open) instead of only 19?
 
Are you sure multiple heats were not run at the same time?
I don't know what age group you danced in, but closed gold quickstep in A1 only had 2 couples - so I would be surprised if more heats were not danced at the same time, most likely including open gold.
If that's the case, it's not judges' business if closed gold couple was dancing open routines, but invigilator might've thought it was an open gold couple.
 
fascination said:
it was for smooth...lol, no one had better let go of their partner in standard...for other reasons;) ....but anyhow, I danced for 4 days and their were signs and announcements that I recall on several occasion in more than one style
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My standard is pretty hopeless, but I know that much... ;)
 
DanceMentor,
This is a true story about the invigilator ruling the couple placing 1st-on-marks 'out of category in Foxtrot' and as a result awarding 1st place to the couple who placed 2nd-on-marks -and there was no pro involved to use some higher-level figure. Actually the details are interesting and everyone can see this for themselves since the judges marks are still posted (USA Dance does a great job of maintaining this info).
When I started, at my 1st Nationals, I was a Silver level dancer and we placed 1st in Silver Standard. We also competed one level up and placed 2nd in Gold - why this is interesting . . . because my knowledge and material was only Silver at that time. If you check out the marks on the USA Dance website for 2003 Nationals you'll see couple 310 in Heat 57 placed 1st in W, T, QS, and the posted marks only show all 5's in Foxtrot - the invigilator said we were out of category and explained to us that this disqualified us for 1st place, but apparently the ruling did not disqualify us from the event, just that one dance and allowed us to still receive a 2nd.
Our final marks were 1-1-5-1 and we received 2nd place (a total driving us to 2nd)
The marks of the couple receiving 1st place were 2-2-1-2 (a lower overall total and therefore the winner)
Most interestingly, while we were in front of everyone (flashbacks of being reprimanded in front of class in grade school) and being told this, we overheard a little commotion among the judges that went something like this . . . "I know what he knows and he definitely doesn't KNOW that, he's barely learned Silver - how could he lead it". I have to admit, to this day, I still have no idea what it was that I led, I figured I had just done something so poorly that it looked . . . higher level??
Anyway, we were thrilled because we felt we were off to a great start and had an interesting learning experience to boot.
 
reb - interesting story. One Q though: wouldn't 2-2-1-2 beat 1-1-5-1 anyway (7 vs 8 )? Or was the point that you got the 5 bc you were 'out of syllabus' but would've otherwise gotten higher marks?
 
yanka said:
reb - interesting story. One Q though: wouldn't 2-2-1-2 beat 1-1-5-1 anyway (7 vs 8 )? Or was the point that you got the 5 bc you were 'out of syllabus' but would've otherwise gotten higher marks?
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Yes, you are correct on both.
Out of syllabus resulted in us receiving 5s in Fox

As far as I know, the totals worked out correctly once that was put into play - that's why I inlcuded these words:
"Our final marks were 1-1-5-1 and we received 2nd place (a total driving us to 2nd)
The marks of the couple receiving 1st place were 2-2-1-2 (a lower overall total and therefore the winner)"

The final placing appears to have been dependent on all the marks once the out-of-syllabus was recorded.
If it weren't for actually going through the experience it, it would just be another set of marks!
 
Cal said:
It may have been difficult for you to see because you were dancing at the same time in the Bronze event, but did the woman stick to Bronze figures in the Bronze event? She may very well have both "closed" and "open" choreography and switches back and forth depending on the event.

Hmm - so if you're Pro is planning to work with you on all dances in all styles, are you going to be REALLY ambitious and work out 38 routines (closed AND open) instead of only 19?
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she danced silver in the bronze heats and open in the open scholarship...that was not ohio btw...as for your other question I will be dancing 38 eventually but sticking w/ 33 for now...full bronze and silver, not open yet, but will do open for ohio next year
 
reb said:
Most interestingly, while we were in front of everyone (flashbacks of being reprimanded in front of class in grade school) and being told this, we overheard a little commotion among the judges that went something like this . . . "I know what he knows and he definitely doesn't KNOW that, he's barely learned Silver - how could he lead it". I have to admit, to this day, I still have no idea what it was that I led, I figured I had just done something so poorly that it looked . . . higher level??
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I had an invigilator complain about our foxtrot one time in gold because we did a step so poorly that he thought we were trying to do something else. :shock: :oops: Of course, the same invigilator was already mad at me because when he warned me about a particular combination, I went and got my copy of "the book" and showed him where the combination was listed as acceptable. I complained to the USISTD about him after the comp, and I believe he was cautioned by Peter Billett, who agreed with me that I was correct that the combination was allowed.
 
Anyway, this whole thing points out to a pervasive problem in competitive ballroom dancing: the rules are set up pretty much assuming that people will follow the ideals of good sportsmanship and do the right thing...but some don't, and those that don't often don't get punished, thereby ruining things for those of us who do follow the rules.
 
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