ArbeeNYC
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Not projecting anything. I have absolutely no practice with it either, simply stating an alternative if what you want is basic technique. If the person only wants private lessons, that's their prerogative.
Master private class?
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itwillhappen
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Everyone is free to learn basic stuff in a private class of world class masters - if he can afford that! But maybe these do not like to foster that with a discount on a package?
Lilly_of_the_valley
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I guess it all boils down to this. People like themselves a discount, and some try to get it for any imaginable reason... But dance lessons are not exactly like a garage sale or a flea market. 
itwillhappen
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I really do not like to get tought by someone who does not like to chat with me. So what I expect of a private class package is some kind of a "mentoring upgrade".
We arrive the evening before and attend the teachers milonga so that he can take a look on how we dance. Next morning do we like to savor a coffee before the lesson, have a break after the first hour and some finalizing talk after the second hour.
At the baseline are three hours gone, the two hours on the dance floor get payed - and we all enjoy these sessions.
We arrive the evening before and attend the teachers milonga so that he can take a look on how we dance. Next morning do we like to savor a coffee before the lesson, have a break after the first hour and some finalizing talk after the second hour.
At the baseline are three hours gone, the two hours on the dance floor get payed - and we all enjoy these sessions.
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Bailamosdance
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Do any teachers ever do this? Sounds like you are looking for a friend, not a teacher..."For xxx I appraise you at an event one day, spend time on coffee and conversation next day, spend time on a break, and then a finalizing talk? I know of no teachers who see lessons this way. Every teacher i have known who is in demand schedules lessons to start and end. I would teach you like this but the 'clock' would be running. "Coffee and conversation" is fun for you, but for me it is work.
opendoor
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Of course that might be very useful and the effect in the end longer lasting than an isolated private in the master class. But it´s another category, anyway. At least a student has an instructor, a guru, and some changing input from outside. Your example addresses the second, Huiyu´s the latter function.
oldtangoguy
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In my experience, basic technique is not well taught in workshops. My wife and I had been dancing for several years, taking workshops/classes the entire time, but it wasn't until we took privates that I really learned how to walk. Seven consecutive days, one hour per day, of nothing except pooosh and peevot with accompanying critique. It has made all the difference in my dance.
Lilly_of_the_valley
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We had a couple of students who wanted a similar format. In that case the full time was paid, not "two hours out of three", also travels to and from the place, and consummation was on them-- coffee, lunch, etc.
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Lilly_of_the_valley
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It is totally great to work on basics in a private lesson. Actually, I hardly work on anything else in my privates.
However, one does not get a discount price on that ground.
However, one does not get a discount price on that ground.
itwillhappen
Forum Master
If I travel and stay the night, then I like to take 2 hours per day - and I can't stay that without a break between them. Not every teacher likes to schedule that way, but that's what got negotiated in advance.
I fully comprehend that "coffee and conversation" may be work for some teachers. I've prefer to choose others for lessons in social Tango.
Lilly_of_the_valley
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One would see that more in Buenos Aires, when teachers and students go to a cafe to socialize and chat after the class. In a Western world, where everyone and everything is on a schedule, not so much.
I have seen students trying to organize that for themselves, inviting their teacher to lunches and dinners, outings, staying after classes/milongas under different pretext to chat, asking for and giving rides or other favors, etc etc. If an instructor cannot set clear boundaries in such situations it often ends up in a conflict between those initiative students and other students, and eventually between those students and the teacher.
I have seen students trying to organize that for themselves, inviting their teacher to lunches and dinners, outings, staying after classes/milongas under different pretext to chat, asking for and giving rides or other favors, etc etc. If an instructor cannot set clear boundaries in such situations it often ends up in a conflict between those initiative students and other students, and eventually between those students and the teacher.
itwillhappen
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I think those efforts are mainly targeted towards getting a position of favoured students, lesser to learn tango.
We've no ambition to climb up in that local tango hierarchy, simply because we'll leave the town and at the earliest get back a month later.
Lilly_of_the_valley
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If you suggest that to those people they would be offended. In their mind that is the best way for them to learn, to support their teacher, and tango in general.
Perhaps, during your visits your instructors manage to balance the books so their other students and obligations are not neglected. But I hope you could see my point on how being able to friendly socialize with an instructor off the floor whenever cannot be a main priority for every dance student.
Huiyu
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I guess it all boils down to this. People like themselves a discount, and some try to get it for any imaginable reason... But dance lessons are not exactly like a garage sale or a flea market.
I don't see in this way. And I don't think people should think in this way: making a discount means this product/service is not good. For me it is just mutual understanding.
Huiyu
New Member
I agree that we as students should put some trust on that. But no matter how well they can organize class, still it depends on students' needs. Your example of a visiting couple explains the financial reason to teach as a couple, but not about class itself. For me I also understand this in this way: teaching as a couple can ensure the earning. But then I can't really trust the teachers that much in terms of the teaching quality.
And actually for a visiting couple, I also quite often see that there is a price for 1 teacher and another price for 2 teachers, and for 1 student and 2 students it charges also differently. It might be a bit risky for not famous couples, but for world masters I think it is actually more beneficial.