Milonga Syncopation

The fact that you are self-taught tells me everything I need to know. You wouldn't have got into the university I attended. You just wouldn't have passed the auditions and written entrance exams. I have never heard a self-taught musician that was worth listening too. In the classical sphere putting "self-taught" and "musician" together is an oxymoron. And yes, having no science degree matters. Any one can quote "studies" and talk psychobabble. Taking a course here and there, while interesting, just doesn't cut it.

Don't you get tired of saying "sarcasm noted" in your posts? You got off to a bad start in the other thread and said that a few times after people had enough of how and what you wrote. Maybe that should tell you something about your know-it-all aggressive posts. I'm blocking you now, so I wont be reading any more of your nonsense.
 
LKSO said:
This isn't actually true. It turns out that people learn much more similarly than was previously thought.
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Do you have something to back up this claim? If people have different experiences it absolutely effects how they learn. Everyone doesn't come to class with the same knowledge or background, thus they need different things to learn and become proficient. I think you are just mixing stuff up again.
 
tangomonkey said:
The fact that you are self-taught tells me everything I need to know. You wouldn't have got into the university I attended. You just wouldn't have passed the auditions and written entrance exams. I have never heard a self-taught musician that was worth listening too. In the classical sphere putting "self-taught" and "musician" together is an oxymoron. And yes, having no science degree matters. Any one can quote "studies" and talk psychobabble. Taking a course here and there, while interesting, just doesn't cut it.
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I'm well aware that there is a bias that if you are self-taught, it means that it isn't as valuable as having a piece of paper to back it up. If you can put aside this bias, I think a lot of things would be much easier to be open to. I am very well read in psychology, I've read tens of thousands of articles on the subject, and am incredibly knowledgeable in the areas I mentioned. I started studying neuroscience because psychology is inept at answering the question of what is learning, memory, and intelligence.

I passed the audition as well as the theory exams. This required me to study, on my own, all the necessary theory that I knew would be on the entrance exam. I did not, however, pass the aural tests, which required me to take ear training. Without ever having heard me play my main instrument, you jump to a conclusion that I am a terrible musician. I doubt that I can change your attitude on this forum.

Don't you get tired of saying "sarcasm noted" in your posts? You got off to a bad start in the other thread and said that a few times after people had enough of how and what you wrote. Maybe that should tell you something about your know-it-all aggressive posts. I'm blocking you now, so I wont be reading any more of your nonsense.
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Don't you get tired of using sarcasm?
 

dchester said:
Do you have something to back up this claim? If people have different experiences it absolutely effects how they learn. Everyone doesn't come to class with the same knowledge or background, thus they need different things to learn and become proficient. I think you are just mixing stuff up again.
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If you read my previous posts, I addressed exactly what you are asking.
 
This is the complete paragraph that I wrote, yet you only pick the first sentence.

"This isn't actually true. It turns out that people learn much more similarly than was previously thought. In fact, we are pretty much the same across the board. The difference, however, is the amount of background knowledge and skill between people which makes it seem like we learn differently, some faster and some slower."

And you respond with exactly the same thing I wrote but in your own words:
"Everyone doesn't come to class with the same knowledge or background, thus they need different things to learn and become proficient."
 
LKSO said:
This is the complete paragraph that I wrote, yet you only pick the first sentence.

"This isn't actually true. It turns out that people learn much more similarly than was previously thought. In fact, we are pretty much the same across the board. The difference, however, is the amount of background knowledge and skill between people which makes it seem like we learn differently, some faster and some slower."

And you respond with exactly the same thing I wrote but in your own words:
"Everyone doesn't come to class with the same knowledge or background, thus they need different things to learn and become proficient."
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Now let us see if you can figure out why.
 
I think you're just upset because someone disagrees with you and calls you out on your own contradictions. :)
 
dchester said:
While I can't speak for our esteemed TM, I can say that I don't.

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Hear, hear..

okay musicologists; since i don't think my brain does things the way its supposed to according to scientists, never mind, the way other people do things, (probly due to too much funny cigarettes and listening to Beefheart, then explaing what was happening in that music to the vegetable heads around me) and I have a problems when people ask me to clap when they nod their heads..(No jokes about "when i nod my head you hit it please"),
is La Trampera an example of a syncopated beat and/or an accent shifted?
and please give an explanation

 
and if you prefer a different version of La Trampera, then post it up. My favourite version I don't actually know who plays it, its very jazzy.
 
bordertangoman said:
and if you prefer a different version of La Trampera, then post it up. My favourite version I don't actually know who plays it, its very jazzy.
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The jazziest version I know is the 1969 Troilo Quartet recording (not the earlier Troilo - Grela Qrt - fun though that is) I couldn't find a version quickly on YouTube, but did find this, which is just great for the film - but purists, be ready for a shock: surely no one EVER danced like THIS - they look as though they might be enjoying themselves!


BTW, I generally find that among the mainstream orchestras, Troilo has jazz running in his veins. Only Carabelli has more, but he WAS a jazz musician.

This is the 1969 recording (from Spotify):

Anibal Troilo Y Su Cuarteto – La Trampera
 
UKDancer said:
The jazziest version I know is the 1969 Troilo Quartet recording (not the earlier Troilo - Grela Qrt - fun though that is) I couldn't find a version quickly on YouTube, but did find this, which is just great for the film - but purists, be ready for a shock: surely no one EVER danced like THIS - they look as though they might be enjoying themselves!


BTW, I generally find that among the mainstream orchestras, Troilo has jazz running in his veins. Only Carabelli has more, but he WAS a jazz musician.
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I spotted that clip too :)
I suspect the version I have is a more modern orchestra...
 
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