NDCA 2020 Rulebook

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DanceDrummer

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Looks like there has been some changes since last year.

For starters, question: In your experience does NDCA stricky adhere to these tempi's? American Rumba seems fast to me @ 124 BPM? Why separate "Pro/Am" & "Pro & AM"? The only difference is Latin Rumba @ 2 beats slower if your Pro & AM (eg: 26, 24)? Why?NDCA Tempi.jpg
 
Pro/Am is a professional dancing with an amateur. Professional means two professionals dancing together. Amateur means two amateurs dancing together. It looks like professional competitions and amateur competitions share the same tempi.
 
Actually, my pro (yes, the one i just had a big argument and drama with) looked into this as well, from what he understands, the only big change is that bolero is a little slower than sometimes is played (because some djs just play international rumba for a bolero, which is slightly too fast). Maybe this will keep comp DJs from playing excessively slow music for american rhythm (like at my recent comp). there is one DJ at some of our franchise regionals that always plays mambo too slow and the dance just ends up looking wrong.
 
For the American styles, the rules used to separate out Bronze and everyone else, so this is a change (not sure for better or for worse). From the Jan. 2019 rules:
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scullystwin42 said:
Actually, my pro (yes, the one i just had a big argument and drama with) looked into this as well, from what he understands, the only big change is that bolero is a little slower than sometimes is played (because some djs just play international rumba for a bolero, which is slightly too fast). Maybe this will keep comp DJs from playing excessively slow music for american rhythm (like at my recent comp). there is one DJ at some of our franchise regionals that always plays mambo too slow and the dance just ends up looking wrong.
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Bolero looks good. So does International Rhumba @ 88, why American is @ 120 I don't get & some of the other differences between the two? Rhumba is butchered that fast IMO> S/B more like 100.
 
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well, they combine heats a lot - sometimes there are bronze dancers in with silver. It's happened to me. This makes it more uniform, and i'm a fan. Going to disagree on the american rumba - it looks so much better at a faster speed IMO.
 
DanceDrummer said:
Bolero looks good. So does International Rhumba @ 88, why American is @ 120 I don't get & some of the other differences between the two? Rhumba is butchered that fast IMO> S/B more like 100.
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30 years ago American rumba was about 40 mpm, or 160 bpm. Given how bolero and international rumba tempi seem to be converging, making American rumba even slower than it is now would seem to be making it closer to a duplicate of bolero. I'm not sure that's the right thing to do.
 
Larinda said:
The last meeting in January produced a Bolero tempo of 22, suggested by the Competitors Commision as that is what a few select pros wanted. It was NOT the right thing for the competitive teachers and their students, regardless of how wonderful a few pro competitors thought it would be. I was judging the next competition after the rule change and was horrified watching everyone struggle. The very next day that rule change was rescinded and the tempo was moved to 24.
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The only issue now is that 24 mpm is not the same as 88 bpm, both of which appear in the excerpt in the original post. Did they fix the mpm number and forget to fix the bpm number?
 
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Bump - when did the rule change that you have to be 19 for ladies A? friend of mine ran into an snag and kerfluffle at a recent comp with that. and it was listed in the program that she was A...
 
scullystwin42 said:
Bump - when did the rule change that you have to be 19 for ladies A? friend of mine ran into an snag and kerfluffle at a recent comp with that. and it was listed in the program that she was A...
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Pro-am Ladies A or A1 is whatever the organizer says it is. There is no NDCA rule for that, as best I know. I've seen A1 start at as low as 16.

Am-am has NDCA defined age categories. Adult has a minimum age requirement of 19.
 
Mengu said:
Pro-am Ladies A or A1 is whatever the organizer says it is. There is no NDCA rule for that, as best I know. I've seen A1 start at as low as 16.

Am-am has NDCA defined age categories. Adult has a minimum age requirement of 19.
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They're listed in there now, as of page 7. just wondering when that happened.
 
Larinda said:
Was I involved in that snag and kerfuffle? LOL

Based on the 3 "youth vs. A" issues we had this past week at St Louis I will be presenting 2 motions at the next NDCA meeting in July. One to reword some lines of the rule book to further clarify, and another to ensure that registrars are educated on how to interpret the rules when they input the entries and therefore prevent future kerfuffles
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I don’t know if you were, and certainly didn’t mean to imply that! It was just odd since the couple other comps this person was at didn’t say anything about the rule change. Granted, studio is also at fault for not knowing the updated rules as well. I was only wondering when it happened since it was a surprise to all of us.
 
I missed that... twice... First I was looking at the 2020 rulebook (the thread title fooled me). Then I looked at 2021 one and didn't see it... need a change log, or an updated table of contents, or something. I suppose it'll take a little while for the info to trickle to the organizers.
 
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