NDCA registration to be required for Pro/Am students

My pro is registered. I'm not. Maybe I can get away with sandbagging in the future!! Whoo hoo!!!

Seriously, with respect to Joe pointing out that $25 would be hard for someone struggling to compete we need to put this into context. This is a very expensive sport, competing is very expensive for some very good reasons. We need lots of judges who must travel fairly far. We need decent facilities. Competition fees need to cover that. Competitors must travel, and so often need to spend quite a bit of money on hotel, travel and other expenses. For the most part, to be competitive, pro-am students need quite a bit of formal training, for which they pay.

I suspect a Pro-Am student stuggling to spend the extra $25 to compete would tend to be demoralized to discover they lost to a sand-bagger especially after spending somewhere in the mid-hundreds or possibly low thousands on other competition specific expenses. Even if jiwinco on earlier pointed out there have always been sandbaggers and it no longer bothers them, I suspect it's much more likely to bother someone struggling to compete than someone who has enough resources to make competing mostly a fun diversion.

Of course, it remains to be seen if registration will be the first step to enforce rules to reduce or eliminate sandbagging. Creating a system and maintaining it will require some funds. Someone running scripts to learn more about the demographics of dancers, to figure out how different rules might have strange effects and so on will require time and effort, and so cost money. So we do need a fee.

But I know even suspecting sandbagging on the part of others in a competition makes me a little grumpy. It would matter more to me if I were struggling to pay for entries fees. Lets face it: the cost of a competition is much more than $25. I'll gladly pay the $25 if it's role is to help competitions be fair; they aren't really competitions if they aren't fair.
 
Indy Lady,
Thanks for the link to the NDCA registry. Out of curiosity, I checked out people at the studio I currently go to and a previous one.

Out of curiosity, does "Certified Dance Teacher" mean DVIDA certified or something else? If they have the correct certification, is it guaranteed they'd be registered in that? I'm curious because I was looking at ads for particular local studio (not the one I go to) and web pages indicate some of their teachers are DVIDA certified, but they aren't listed not in that particular registry.

(I know the registry is likely very incomplete, especially as it seems to be optional for proAm. I also saw some dancing as teachers in pro-Am at the Crystal Ball dance and are not registered. Presumably if it was complete, they'd be in there. The teachers from the studio I take lessons from who competed pro-Am at the Crystal Ball are registered as competitors. )
 
Indy Lady,
Thanks for the link to the NDCA registry. Out of curiosity, I checked out people at the studio I currently go to and a previous one.

@FancyFeet provided the link, so I don't know the answers to any of your questions. It was interesting to see who all was registered from my state though.
 
I mentioned this to my pro at today's lesson, he was unaware of the upcoming Pro/Am student registration requirement. He said the Pro Competitor registration fee is $110.
 
Ummm, maybe I'm missing the salient points here, but am-am couples have had to register (pay) for years, right? And it buys them... nothing (?) So why waste energy? Skip 3-4 Starbucks lattes and pony up the $25.

Or switch to teacher-student at that goofier oranization known as ... USA Dance.

TIAIHTS.
 
My pro is registered. I'm not. Maybe I can get away with sandbagging in the future!! Whoo hoo!!!

Seriously, with respect to Joe pointing out that $25 would be hard for someone struggling to compete we need to put this into context. This is a very expensive sport, competing is very expensive for some very good reasons. We need lots of judges who must travel fairly far. We need decent facilities. Competition fees need to cover that. Competitors must travel, and so often need to spend quite a bit of money on hotel, travel and other expenses. For the most part, to be competitive, pro-am students need quite a bit of formal training, for which they pay.

I suspect a Pro-Am student stuggling to spend the extra $25 to compete would tend to be demoralized to discover they lost to a sand-bagger especially after spending somewhere in the mid-hundreds or possibly low thousands on other competition specific expenses. Even if jiwinco on earlier pointed out there have always been sandbaggers and it no longer bothers them, I suspect it's much more likely to bother someone struggling to compete than someone who has enough resources to make competing mostly a fun diversion.

Of course, it remains to be seen if registration will be the first step to enforce rules to reduce or eliminate sandbagging. Creating a system and maintaining it will require some funds. Someone running scripts to learn more about the demographics of dancers, to figure out how different rules might have strange effects and so on will require time and effort, and so cost money. So we do need a fee.

But I know even suspecting sandbagging on the part of others in a competition makes me a little grumpy. It would matter more to me if I were struggling to pay for entries fees. Lets face it: the cost of a competition is much more than $25. I'll gladly pay the $25 if it's role is to help competitions be fair; they aren't really competitions if they aren't fair.

Just check NDCA directory. https://secure.accessdance.com/business/national-dance-council-of-america-ndca/directories/

Certified Dance Teacher usually will list the organization that certifies them: It could be USISTD, DVIDA, and many probably are AMI or FADS. It will also list the level of the certification: Associate, Fellow/Associate(Bronze), Member/Licentiate (Silver), and rarely Fellowship (Gold) since it is not necessarity to get certified at gold in order to teach gold and above.
 
Ummm, maybe I'm missing the salient points here, but am-am couples have had to register (pay) for years, right? And it buys them... nothing (?) So why waste energy? Skip 3-4 Starbucks lattes and pony up the $25.

Or switch to teacher-student at that goofier oranization known as ... USA Dance.

TIAIHTS.
The apect I don't consider goofy is the WDSF, where currently the NDCA has done quite a bit to make sure most of the WDSF dancers never come here. Certainly there is little incentive even though some of the best in world (easy to argue moreso than the WDC) to compete in the USA.

Brian MacDonald is the President of the NDCA and simultaneously sits on the (all male) WDC board, which is in a virtual war with the WDSF.

I'm struck with the idea that "now that USAD is mostly out of the way" it is safer now to start raising rates.

But I absolutely look forward to being proven wrong that the NDCA is ready to admit the WDSF is producing some awesome dancers, and will take the steps necessary to get them to come back (WDC willing or not).
 
Wahoo-Foxtrot,
I was looking at the registration. But it must be incomplete, because for example, if I look at a local studio page:
http://celebritydancestudio.com/menu/
I see dance director Michela Blanc. The page says he's DVIDA certified.
But if I go here:
https://secure.accessdance.com/business/national-dance-council-of-america-ndca/directories/

and enter "Blanc", no one comes up.

But I'm pretty sure I saw him dancing as pro-am at the Crystal Ball. And I know he does compete professionally with his wife-- also with the last name of "Blanc". So it seems to me the directory must only capture some people and not others.
 
DVIDIA-certified is not the same as NDCA-registered.

I've heard that sometimes the event organizers don't check for NDCA registration.
 
Wahoo-Foxtrot,
I was looking at the registration. But it must be incomplete, because for example, if I look at a local studio page:
http://celebritydancestudio.com/menu/
I see dance director Michela Blanc. The page says he's DVIDA certified.
But if I go here:
https://secure.accessdance.com/business/national-dance-council-of-america-ndca/directories/

and enter "Blanc", no one comes up.

But I'm pretty sure I saw him dancing as pro-am at the Crystal Ball. And I know he does compete professionally with his wife-- also with the last name of "Blanc". So it seems to me the directory must only capture some people and not others.

^Snapdancer is right. Sometimes people do not register on NCDA. My previous teacher was very active judging NCDA event but he has retired (about 80 yr old) in the last 5-10 years so I cannot find his name on the directory anymore. For most pros who are actively competing or judging NCDA events, you should be able to find their names. E.g. I'm sure Larinda's name is there. Most instructors in my studio are there too.
 
Thanks. I'm just trying to understand what the registration captures. The pros at the studio I go to appear in the NCDA registry as competitors and teachers. But some other local pros I saw dancing pro-Am at Crystal Ball were not. So presumably, they didn't need to do so.
 
RE: sandbagging. I realize this is an NDCA thread, but looking at registration for that other (am) organization's Chicago event, I see sandbagging is alive and well.

Let the ennui begin...
 
Sandbagging, or perhaps you (or others!) simply don't understand the current points system (not that it's been well publicized or explained).
 

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