No DanceSport at the 2020 Olympics :(

Well, one thing seems very clear to me. Whether or not the Olympic dream is actually a good thing or not, the pro-Olympics faction needs to spend more time on outreach to the membership-base explaining why the pursuit is to the benefit of the organization. (I don't mean here specifically, I mean in general.) Because there definitely seems to be a faction that does not consider it to be a self-evident truth that it is.

Actually, there has been plenty of explaining. Frequently in opening columns in American Dancer magazine as well as in other places. The drum gets beat a lot.

Some of us are simply of the opinion that is it not a good thing for the sport, and also that it is very unlikely to happen. That combination means a lot of energy is being spent pursuing something that is not good for dance, and is seriously dividing the community. I have seen what it has done to other sports, Judo was mentioned above as an example of problems it can cause for dubious benefit, but there are others.

Judges, coaches, dancers are all victims of the splits that have happened in part because of the pursuit of the Olympics. I would much rather see effort and energy put elsewhere. And while I have no idea whether I'm in the majority or not, I certainly don't think I am alone.

FWIW.
 
I don't know. I mean, I certainly agree that the drum gets beaten quite a bit. But from what I see, it tends to be less "here are the reasons why pursuing Olympic dancesport is good for the membership" and more "isn't it great that we're the dancesport organization associated with the IOC and isn't it going to be great when we achieve our Olympic dreams, rah-rah-rah?" It just tends to get treated as a self-evident truth that the pursuit itself is a good thing. And, well, as a member I'm left with the feeling that the pro-Olympic leadership isn't really listening to and considering the arguments of those who would just as soon see the organization move on.

IMO, FWIW.
 
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An example of what I'm saying from the Nov-Dec 2015 issue:

Because of the vision of Normand Martin 50 years ago to start an organization to get ballroom into the Olympics, in 2015, USA Dance holds the singular privilege of being the United States Olympic Committee recognized governing body of DanceSport. As such, we remain the one and only organization in the United States with the right to select national representatives to world championships that are part of the Olympic movement.
Ok. That's great. And I suppose it's as close to an explanation of the benefits as I generally see: USA Dance gets to pick couples for the World Games. But it still reads more like cheerleading to me than "ok, here is a list of the tangible benefits of pursuing the Olympics and here are why and how we feel those benefits outweigh the potential downsides." To be clear, *that* is what I'm saying I think the pro-Olympic faction needs to do more of.
 
I have seen what it has done to other sports, Judo was mentioned above as an example of problems it can cause for dubious benefit, but there are others.

Just to be clear, I don't think that the Olympics were the root cause of political complications in the US. I also believe that Judo in, say, Japan (where it was invented) has a very different culture than it does here.

Judo players all consider themselves part of a competitive sport -- perhaps to greater or lesser degrees, but anyway without the passionate social-vs-competition community sentiment that sometimes arises in dancing; and thus the Olympic involvement is often touted from motivational and historical standpoints.

My main point was that US Judo didn't see its politics and economics somehow magically transformed in some utopian way as a result of Olympic influence.
 
What I really do think they'd need to explain, better than tried here, is how being an Olympic sport would be good for the rank and file, because while saying "Skating [nineteen years ago] had five-figure purses [before taxes and who gets to keep what depends on the fed, and to get within a remote shot at winning said purses you/your parents have already spent probably half a million dollars AT LEAST] which would be good for dancers to have a chance at winning" sounds kind of nice for them, setting aside the cost-benefit (again, I worked in one of the elite skating clubs, I saw parents and what they were spending and what kids had to do to be considered competitive at levels like Novice, where they're 13 or so, and we're talking second mortgages, splitting families, commuting to Boston weekly from ALBANY to get the 'right' coaches, and of all those kids? ONE I know is still competing at an elite level with a reasonable shot at potentially getting on a World or Olympic team someday, while most never got even close to that far, washing out long before) there are other issues. $30,000 only sounds like a lot of money when even getting a one in twelve chance at it hasn't cost you more than some people make in ten years of work.

And that is ONLY for the kids who start young and have some faint hope of getting into the top narrow tier of athletes in the sport. USFS is a federation focused on, ultimately, cultivating elite competition. Trying to attract people other than little kids, who will then be weeded out as learning levels get harder and harder (the test stream is designed to narrow the field down-if you can't pass, you can't compete at that level, and if you repeatedly can't pass, you're being sent a message) is a very low priority. The people who make coaches big money are the ones who still have a chance at competing in the 'serious' events who are taking lessons five days a week. (And if you're only taking one, it's still $120+/hour for those coaches.) The Adult test track and adult events are low priority, even when the fed pays lip service--Adult Nationals is basically a sideshow, and there's no true, qualifiers-only Adult Worlds related to AN. Adult skaters are not going to get to the Olympics, so it doesn't make sense for the fed to devote much time and resource to them.

As for the "sponsorship!" thing....um, I am willing to bet if you asked people who they think have gotten big sponsors and endorsements in skating, they're going to start naming names like...Dorothy Hamill, Peggy Fleming, Brian Boitano, Nancy Kerrigan, Kritisi Yamaguchi, Tara Lipinski, Michelle Kwan...only two of whom aren't Olympic gold medalists (Kwan has a silver and a bronze but is the most decorated US Ladies' skater of all time otherwise, Kerrigan has a silver and is mostly famous because of the famous whack on the knee) and none off whom have competed meaningfully since 2006. The sponsorships in the US have always been largely tied to ladies' singles, and we haven't won that since 2002 at the Olympics, and haven't had a medal at worlds until 2016 in YEARS. In other disciplines it just isn't a big seller in the US ever, and even Davis and White becoming the first Americans to win the ice dance gold has not parlayed itself into anything like the fame of a Fleming or a Kwan. Skating is in fact now in a position of being one of the sports that has to defend the sport aspect every time--sparkly costumes, emoting to music, and going from a visibly-corrupt judging system to an invisibly-corrupt, extremely complicated system, all make skating less marketable. There is a trend/preference to show athletes as athletes, including there no longer being quite the resistance to showing female athletes as physical, sweaty, etc. that there used to be. Now there's a resistance to 'twinkly little outfits', a backlash against perceived sexism in the image of the 'ice princess' and the male/female dynamic of pairs skating, the uncomfortably-young age of some skaters, the focus on aesthetic fitness rather than athletic fitness (one thing that's still true, if you skate better at 105 but look better at 100, the coach wants you at 100)...dance doubles down on almost all of these. It looks even less like a sport than skating by current marketing standards.

And as for exposure...right now, thanks to DWTS, SYTYCD, and other reality shows, ironically ballroom has more media exposure than any skating. Unless it's an Olympic year, competition coverage in the US is delayed by days or weeks and usually relegated to weekend afternoons. There is little to no professional market (and none outside Disney on Ice if you're not a name headliner.) If you're in Japan or Korea, sure, skating can still make you a media sensation, with the good and bad aspects of that (fan wars get UGLY there), but in the US, skaters are going on hokey dance shows for publicity, and most of the ones who've been asked are the ones I mentioned-they won medals when I was in grade school. Or before I was born. And I'm 38 next month. I would not look to skating as some sort of role model.
 
Even if the Olympics is something that the top dancers still want and the leadership wants to keep trying for, I would like to see a recognition that it's unlikely to happen, and even if it does, it won't be anytime soon, and it will be as a result of increased exposure rather than a cause. Given these facts, whenever an action is proposed toward that goal, there should be consideration of whether it would be worth doing even if the goal is never reached. If not, it shouldn't be done, and especially not if it's going to cause harm elsewhere in the organization. Top dancers (and the kids who will become top dancers) have a financial incentive to support growth in the numbers of adult/senior social and especially competitive dancers, since we make up the majority of their student base and the audience for their performances. Pipe dreams of endorsements and huge competitive purses aren't realistically going to replace the mostly-teaching-with-some-performances financial model. I know there's some recognition of the importance of growing the membership and treating us right (e.g., in Renata's election statement); I'd like it to become the default assumption within the organization.
 
On the other hand, the people who have won ballroom world championships aren't pipsqueaks, like most skaters. Most ballroom world champions are in their late 20s to early 30s.
 
On the other hand, the people who have won ballroom world championships aren't pipsqueaks, like most skaters. Most ballroom world champions are in their late 20s to early 30s.

Neither are most figure skaters. Some of the girls are in their late teens but age cutoffs mean you can't even get in front of Senior event judges internationally until you're 16. The men and most pairs and dancers don't get competitive until their twenties. But if you don't START as a child, you're irrelevant. Eleven and still able to reach an elite level is considered remarkable. You can't beat those who start young and with Olympics involved, dance will be even more the same than it already is.

In any case, that's not really the point about the prize amounts--the point is a sport that HAD more popularity than dance in its heyday can sometimes give one-tenth of one percent of the one percent who reach elite competition a relatively small purse. I'm not even kidding, if you think $30,000 is a lot of money in a sport, you've never done an elite sport at an elite level. (Or equestrian at any level. Give me horse racing with lower overhead and real money any day.) And it's fading. And its federation spends the overwhelming amount of its support and money on the one tenth of one percent that can make the elite level. Adults, rec skaters, and people who want to compete for fun are afterthoughts. That's what being focused on creating World and Olympic medalists does, because to be a competitive federation requires it. The amounts of money involved for the federation are enormous. The political capital required is huge because you have to politic for your athletes in a judged sport. That has absolutely not changed since the judging switch to the IJS. If anything it's easier as you can bury collusion in anonymous judging.

When the goal is the Olympics, there ISN'T a trickle-down effect. It benefits a very small set of athletes who show early on they can reach the elite level and who become the focus of resources. The notion that Olympic-experienced coaches benefit the non-elite competitors only works if the Olympic coaches don't raise their rates to the point the cost exceeds any value a genuine amateur adult or senior can get from it. When you're doing something purely as a hobby, most people can't justify paying elite prices.
 
I'd forgotten this post. Thanks for re-posting. (captain?)

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