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cocodrilo

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I've had the poor misfortune, many a time, of going to a club with a person who simply refuses to dance. As I anticipate the possibility of this happening, I also have a person who LOVES to dance with us, so I am able to enjoy myself that evening(at most clubs in Japan, people don't come up & ask you to dance. At latin-themed clubs where most people go to dance, you will most likely get some takers). What is it with people that love to go to clubs but sit down, drink in hand, the entire time? I understand that people watching is entertaining, but wouldn't 3 or 4 hours of it get a bit monotonous?
 
I don't know coco. :? However, I do see where it can be enjoyable if you go with a group of people and you go to socialize/hangout. Lots of people go to bars etc and do that, so why not dance club where you have some entertainment too?
 
I am totally confused with you, Coco. Last night I met my instructor at a nightclub for some practice. It was a Wed. night and was pretty dead. (Great for us, we had the whole floor to ourselves and my instructor's friend was there too so I got some instruction from him too - cool for me!) After dancing for maybe 1 1/2 hrs, a party of 5 came in and sat down, ordered beers, smoked heavily thus making it icky to breathe, but I suppose it is a nightclub afterall... :?, attentively watched us dance then left. I was sitting down taking a breather as one of the men walked past and complemented myself and my instructor on our dancing. What the...??? I'm not getting PAID to be the entertainment! (Well, we were dancing on the stage.) It was weird. They wouldn't dance. Where's the fun in sitting down drinking? I just don't get it.
 
Sagitta said:
I don't know coco. :? However, I do see where it can be enjoyable if you go with a group of people and you go to socialize/hangout. Lots of people go to bars etc and do that, so why not dance club where you have some entertainment too?
Yeah, but the group of people I go with go to DANCE and those chair-warming people I am referring to are hip on going to a "dance club" because I tell them we are going dancing at a dance club in advance. Just sitting down in a hot, smoky place drinking is no fun for me. If I dance I can have a good time. I kinda feel guilty leaving them sitting there nursing their cuba libres but it's their own damn fault if they don't wanna get up & shake butt with the rest of us. In Japan, after-five boozin' & shmoozin' are WAY popular and for that I have special places to go where I can get some quality drinks and just enjoy a quiet atmosphere with some good friends.
 
Although I feel very comfortable with my dance abilities now, I haven't forgotten the not-so-distant past when I had less confidence in my leading skills, and a reticence to impose my clumsiness on an unsuspecting female victim. :oops: That produced a number of evenings where I spent a couple of hours without dancing at all.

Even now, when I go to clubs "off the beaten path," it can be difficult to determine which women are truly available as potential partners. It's even more difficult if I see a mixed group of men and women, such that I don't know who is "coupled up" and who isn't. Also, sometimes people just want to dance with their friends and won't accept invitations from strangers.

Because I truly enjoy Salsa MUSIC, I can stick around at a club even when it has became apparent I won't find a partner that night. I would rather dance, of course, but I try to make the best out of listening to the music as long as I'm there. That applies to hip-hop clubs (and music) as well.
 
motardmom said:
Last night I met my instructor at a nightclub for some practice. It was a Wed. night and was pretty dead. (Great for us, we had the whole floor to ourselves and my instructor's friend was there too so I got some instruction from him too - cool for me!) After dancing for maybe 1 1/2 hrs, a party of 5 came in and sat down, ordered beers, smoked heavily thus making it icky to breathe, but I suppose it is a nightclub afterall... :?, attentively watched us dance then left. I was sitting down taking a breather as one of the men walked past and complemented myself and my instructor on our dancing. What the...??? I'm not getting PAID to be the entertainment! (Well, we were dancing on the stage.) It was weird. They wouldn't dance. Where's the fun in sitting down drinking? I just don't get it.
If my dh and I went somewhere hoping to dance, and there was only one couple dancing (on the stage, no less) I would have been really intimidated and had my drink (diet cola, no smoking) and left. And the better the dancers were, the less likely I would ever have been to get up and dance too. And I come with my own partner! I guess I have to work on my confidence!
And I would have probably complimented the dancers if I had a chance because I was impressed (and envious). So maybe this group thought they were being nice by saying they enjoyed watching you dance.
 
most people i ask say yes

maybe people who goto clubs just to sit down and drink need to get away from any troubles at home or something?
 
Well, I have a friend who comes along with me when I go dancing on the weekends. He's never taken a class and therefore feels too intimidated to ask anyone to dance. So, most of the night, he'll watch us or talk to the random person. He's much more comfortable at the more casual "non-serious" dance club.

IMHO, it takes some serious dedication to start getting competent in dancing, and if he's not interested/motivated enough to take the plunge, why should I push into doing it?
 
Swingolder said:
motardmom said:
Last night I met my instructor at a nightclub for some practice. It was a Wed. night and was pretty dead. (Great for us, we had the whole floor to ourselves and my instructor's friend was there too so I got some instruction from him too - cool for me!) After dancing for maybe 1 1/2 hrs, a party of 5 came in and sat down, ordered beers, smoked heavily thus making it icky to breathe, but I suppose it is a nightclub afterall... :?, attentively watched us dance then left. I was sitting down taking a breather as one of the men walked past and complemented myself and my instructor on our dancing. What the...??? I'm not getting PAID to be the entertainment! (Well, we were dancing on the stage.) It was weird. They wouldn't dance. Where's the fun in sitting down drinking? I just don't get it.
If my dh and I went somewhere hoping to dance, and there was only one couple dancing (on the stage, no less) I would have been really intimidated and had my drink (diet cola, no smoking) and left. And the better the dancers were, the less likely I would ever have been to get up and dance too. And I come with my own partner! I guess I have to work on my confidence!
And I would have probably complimented the dancers if I had a chance because I was impressed (and envious). So maybe this group thought they were being nice by saying they enjoyed watching you dance.

Swingolder there is no need to be intimidated. I don't know how to dance, but if I want to dance I will dance with anyone, and even dance on an empty floor with everyone watching. Empty floor just means that I can play around even more. I do know what you are talking about however because when there is an empty floor people are reluctant to dance. A lot of people whom I ask say I'm waiting for theer to be more people. But here is something to think about. You came to dance, you had someone to dance with, and you did not get to do what you wanted!! Do you, or anyone else who wants to dance, but doesn't in similar situations, ever regret not dancing? Isn't life too short to have regrets?
 
Sagitta said:
Swingolder there is no need to be intimidated. I don't know how to dance, but if I want to dance I will dance with anyone, and even dance on an empty floor with everyone watching. Empty floor just means that I can play around even more. I do know what you are talking about however because when there is an empty floor people are reluctant to dance. A lot of people whom I ask say I'm waiting for theer to be more people. But here is something to think about. You came to dance, you had someone to dance with, and you did not get to do what you wanted!! Do you, or anyone else who wants to dance, but doesn't in similar situations, ever regret not dancing? Isn't life too short to have regrets?

Thanks for the words of encouragement. I know you are right - but it is hard to get over that feeling!
 
Sagitta said:
Swingolder there is no need to be intimidated. I don't know how to dance, but if I want to dance I will dance with anyone, and even dance on an empty floor with everyone watching. Empty floor just means that I can play around even more.
Like I said before, there are two kinds of people in this world: those who would rather die than be the first to take to the floor and those who love being the first. You (and I) belong to the latter kind.

Oops I forgot the third kind -- those who would rather have their teeth pulled out than dance... :(
 
Swingolder said:
Sagitta said:
Swingolder there is no need to be intimidated. I don't know how to dance, but if I want to dance I will dance with anyone, and even dance on an empty floor with everyone watching. Empty floor just means that I can play around even more. I do know what you are talking about however because when there is an empty floor people are reluctant to dance. A lot of people whom I ask say I'm waiting for theer to be more people. But here is something to think about. You came to dance, you had someone to dance with, and you did not get to do what you wanted!! Do you, or anyone else who wants to dance, but doesn't in similar situations, ever regret not dancing? Isn't life too short to have regrets?

Thanks for the words of encouragement. I know you are right - but it is hard to get over that feeling!
It is!! It can be tough. What I do is focus on my partner and the music and enjoying our partnership. Even now if I pay attention to those looking on I get a little perturbed as I'm a shy introvert. (Another example is while participating in a reuda demo I concentrate on the dancing. If I pay attention to the audience I get nervous.) But I don't. This is what I tell those whom I dance with in these situations. To dance with me and not pay attention to the "outsiders".
 
cocodrilo said:
I've had the poor misfortune, many a time, of going to a club with a person who simply refuses to dance.
Cocodrilo, does that person know how to dance? Is it a matter of refusing to do something that he/she knows how to do, or of not knowing the first thing about what to do out on that floor?

For the first 48 years of my life I was pegged as having absolutely no sense of rhythm and being totally incapable of ever learning to dance. And that was repeatedly pounded into me by all my failed attempts to learn (as I related some time back, all those well-intentioned attempts to teach me took the wrong approach of assuming that we naturally "hear" what the music tells us to do, that we are born with musicality instead of the reality that we must develop it). It wasn't until this event that I became determined to turn that around, after which I did finally start to learn.

Our friend invited us and a few other couples we were friends with to her company's Christmas party, a formal affair that included dancing. I spent most of that evening in misery sitting all alone at our table watching everybody else dance. I simply could not go out there and try, because I had absolutely no clue whatsoever. Absolutely no idea about steps. Absolutely no idea about what the music was doing and how I was supposed to respond to it. Absolutely nothing. But I came out of that miserable evening knowing that I had to do something about it and so when I saw that salsa classes were going to offered after work here and my wife mentioned to somebody that she wanted to learn salsa, I jumped on that opportunity (which turned out to be intermediate salsa, which I survived somehow) and so it all began.

So can't it be that those who just sit and watch are people who enjoy the music and the dancing, but are convinced that they themselves cannot possibly learn to dance?

Or perhaps they are becoming interested in possibly trying? One Lindy Wednesday at Tia Juana's I went over to the bar to get a drink and found myself next to this guy who'd been sitting there watching all this time. It turns out that he was on a business trip from Boston and was staying in the motel next door, so he came over for a beer and suddenly (as he described it) all these people came in and started dancing. He found it fascinating; this was his first live exposure to swing dancing. I answered his questions and, when he expressed doubt about being able to find anything like it back home, I knew better (having found sites about the swing scene in and around Boston) and suggested ways of Google'ing for swing classes when he got home.

And besides, whether those observers are budding future dancers or are novices lacking the confidence or are fated to remain JAFOs ("just another observer") forever, they all have their dreams that are being kept alive by being there observing the dancers on the floor -- they are not necessarily watching just for entertainment. Speaking as one how has had his dreams ripped away and shreded (divorce at separation plus 10 weeks and counting), keeping one's dreams alive can be important.
 
DWise1 said:
cocodrilo said:
I've had the poor misfortune, many a time, of going to a club with a person who simply refuses to dance.
Cocodrilo, does that person know how to dance? Is it a matter of refusing to do something that he/she knows how to do, or of not knowing the first thing about what to do out on that floor?
You've got a point. I remember being invited to a formal ballroom party($100 a head, my friend paid) and sitting the entire thing out. Frotunatley, there was beer! When they played a couple swing tunes, another clueless guy & I decided to just go into the middle of the dacne floor & rock 'n roll!
HOWEVER- my original post was about clubs in general, NOT dacne studios or dacne socials. The clubs I go to we do- how do you call it-"freestyle?" Just moving to latest pop hits. The college kids do hip hop. (Rarely see grinding here) As for the question inquiring whether my observing freidns know how to dance- I have no idea, as I have never seen them on the dance floor. These are friends that seem interested in dancing otherwise they would not have joined me & my other dacne-loving friends at the club. I have friends who simply dislike dancing and refuse to even come to the clubs(for a salsa party invite "No way!"). To each his own. I don't go to movie theaters.
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