post competition disorder

How long would be reasonable to wait before asking about getting videos from a competition? I did email delivery instead of USB, assuming it would be faster, but people who chose USB got it at the competition. Lesson learned for next time?
 
How long would be reasonable to wait before asking about getting videos from a competition? I did email delivery instead of USB, assuming it would be faster, but people who chose USB got it at the competition. Lesson learned for next time?
They should have given you an ETA when you ordered/paid, but if it's been a week since the comp, I would say it's time to ask when you can expect them to be ready.
 
This one is more a pre-event disorder. I've itching to go to a dance camp or a ballroomy thing in oct/nov.
So far the options are:
- Perzhu's smooth camp in NYC. This would be a great one except it's smack in the middle of the week. And I don't want to take so many days off work.
- That same week, Max Sinatsa has a dance camp in LA, it's over a weekend. Multiple styles.
- Spectate Ohio Star Ball. I've never been, and it would be fun to visit people and watch the shows. I could get coachings by reaching out to people.

Hmmmmm.
 
This one is more a pre-event disorder. I've itching to go to a dance camp or a ballroomy thing in oct/nov.
So far the options are:
- Perzhu's smooth camp in NYC. This would be a great one except it's smack in the middle of the week. And I don't want to take so many days off work.
- That same week, Max Sinatsa has a dance camp in LA, it's over a weekend. Multiple styles.
- Spectate Ohio Star Ball. I've never been, and it would be fun to visit people and watch the shows. I could get coachings by reaching out to people.

Hmmmmm.
The pro competition with the show dances at Ohio are so fun to see. Last year they also did a Grand Slam competition on the last evening with top couples from all four styles which was excellent. But it’s different from participating in a camp.
 
I second this suggestion! I’ve gotten good results doing that with bra straps and fishnets too…anything I don’t want to be visible.

I always cut out the waistbands of my fishnets to avoid the otherwise inevitable muffin top, but then need to secure them in place so I don’t end up with the top of the fishnets rolling down to the tops of my thighs, held up only by the crotch of the dress’s bodysuit (see pic below for an uncomfortable real-life illustration).

In some dresses, I’ve sewn 3 or 4 small hooks into the inside of the bodysuit, just below the hips, onto which I can hook the top edge of the fishnets to hold them up.

Otherwise, yikes:

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Have you tried making one vertical notch in the front? It loosen it up enough to prevent muffin top and they won't fall down. That's what I used to do. Hard to explain exactly how to do it, but if you make a notch that doesn't cut through the whole waistband, they will stay up with no problem.
 
How long would be reasonable to wait before asking about getting videos from a competition? I did email delivery instead of USB, assuming it would be faster, but people who chose USB got it at the competition. Lesson learned for next time?
Is the only way to do this in person at the comp? I didn't see any video options on the online album. I was told by someone that videos have to be ordered ahead of time, so I didn't bother asking about it after my heats.

Is the vantage point better than someone recording with an iphone? Is it worth it?
 
Have you tried making one vertical notch in the front? It loosen it up enough to prevent muffin top and they won't fall down. That's what I used to do. Hard to explain exactly how to do it, but if you make a notch that doesn't cut through the whole waistband, they will stay up with no problem.
Yes, I’ve tried that. Also tried making a small vertical notch on one side, both sides, and one at the back. They do indeed stay up, but the notch technique didn’t prevent muffin top for me. I suspect it works differently for different people based on body type, and the amount of loose(r) flesh around the belly and waist. I’m generally slim overall (for a 55yo woman who’s had multiple pregnancies and births), but my abdomen has always been my problem area, and the part of my body about which I’m the most self-conscious. So any amount of bulging below or above a waistband makes me very uncomfortable.

God bless Spanx brand mid-thigh bodysuits.
 
Is the only way to do this in person at the comp? I didn't see any video options on the online album. I was told by someone that videos have to be ordered ahead of time, so I didn't bother asking about it after my heats.

Is the vantage point better than someone recording with an iphone? Is it worth it?
At least for the competition I was at, you ordered at the competition with a paper form. I’m not sure if they could go back and put together videos for you after the fact - the comp was live-streamed, so maybe? But the video I got did kind of follow me around the floor.

Compared to the videos my friend took on her phone, I can definitely see more of what’s going on, and I’m not getting blocked by other people. I’d say that would be more important in smooth/standard. I’m happy with what I got and I got 2 championships for <$200, but it would be an easy expense to cut out for a competition. But also with the videographer you are guaranteed a video, and a friend might be asked to put their phone away.
 
Is the only way to do this in person at the comp? I didn't see any video options on the online album. I was told by someone that videos have to be ordered ahead of time, so I didn't bother asking about it after my heats.
Short answer, yes. They need to know in advance who they are filming and for what heats so they can focus the camera on you (they always have multiple cameras). When you fill out the order form, you have to pick your heats in advance. And if you pick all of them, be prepared to pay for all of them, none of this "well I didn't dance well in that multi so scratch it." Trying to find a specific competitor during hours of footage after the fact would be an absolute nightmare, especially at a big comp.

Is the vantage point better than someone recording with an iphone? Is it worth it?
Generally yes, but it can be hit or miss. I've had crappy professional videos and amazing iPhone videos. And everything in between. The thing about iPhone though is some (many?) comps do not allow private video-ing, and you may be asked to stop or even be ejected from the ballroom (repeat offender after multiple asks). I recall a comp where the emcee was like "We can tell when you are filming so please don't".
 
Is the vantage point better than someone recording with an iphone? Is it worth it?
I agree with what @IndyLady said: it can be hit or miss. If you really, definitely want a guaranteed video of your dancing, then hiring a pro is the best way to make that happen. I didn't have friends with me who could record my heats on their phones, even if they were allowed to, so paying a videographer was my only option. (I would feel rude asking a total stranger, "hey, you don't know me, but would you mind acting as my unpaid videographer for a few heats today?" ...even though there are probably people there who would be happy to help out that way.)

One downside to the pro videographer is that they usually have stationary cameras set at several locations around the floor, so if you & your pro are dancing a rhythm heat in a small area of the floor, and other couples dance over between you and the closest camera, the professional video will show a really great view of those other couples, and only one or two seconds of the top of your head (ask me how I know). Also, those stationary cameras are sometimes not quite high enough, so the spectators in the front row WHO REFUSE TO SIT DOWN, even when asked politely by the videographer, will block the camera's view of a large portion of the dance floor (ask me how I know).

Another downside to the pro videographer is the exact opposite of what I just said. Sometimes they will zoom in on you so closely that you can't see any other couples dancing, and one of the reasons I like getting videos from comps is so I can study the other couples on the floor in my heats (why did this or that couple place first or last; how does this or that person's footwork compare to mine; I saw [famous pro's name] in the program so I know he was on the floor at the same time I was, and I'd like to see how he danced with this particular student; etc.). So if the video was zoomed in focusing only on you, you miss out on all that stuff.

In theory, someone with an iphone can move around the floor, following your movement even in smooth/standard heats where you're traveling quite a bit, changing the angle of the camera to avoid other couples getting in the way, zooming in or out as needed. That's a big advantage. (Assuming they're allowed to, and don't get stopped and expelled.) And if they use your phone to record, you have the video immediately. Or if they use their phone instead of yours, they can still air drop it to you immediately. (Just make sure their phone has a camera as good as or better than your phone.) The main downsides to relying on someone else using a phone to record you are these: (a) it might be prohibited so you end up getting nothing; (b) they might not do a good job, so the result is shaky, out of focus, aimed the wrong way, etc.; and (c) the camera quality might be much lower than a pro's, so the result is disappointingly fuzzy with no nice clear distinct images.
At least for the competition I was at, you ordered at the competition with a paper form.
I had the option to order a photo package ahead of time, but for the videos, I had to fill out a paper form shortly before my session started. You have to tell them the exact heats you want them to record for you, your pro's number, the color of your dress...maybe other stuff too but those are the ones I remember. Oh! And you have to tell them ahead of time if you want them to record any callbacks if you happen to be recalled. Like, let's say you wrote down heat #123 as one that you wanted them to record for you. And let's say heat #123 started from a quarterfinal. If you get called back for the semi, and then called back again for the final, you end up having to pay for 3 videos instead of just the 1 you budgeted for. (It's a nice problem to have, granted, but it can get veeeeeeeeery expensive at $22-25 per video [ask me how I know].)

the video I got did kind of follow me around the floor.
I would have paid extra for that, rather than the videos taken from the stationary cameras. I don't remember it being an option at the comps I entered.
 
In theory, someone with an iphone can move around the floor, following your movement even in smooth/standard heats where you're traveling quite a bit, changing the angle of the camera to avoid other couples getting in the way, zooming in or out as needed.
Speaking from experience: moving around the floor when using the phone to capture images can be more difficult than you might think. Most NDCA competitions have tables or seats set up at the edge of the ballroom floor, which means my phone and I don't really have freedom of movement. I decided years ago to get to the center of the room, at a seat closest to the floor I could manage, and zoom and pan to follow "my" couple. Otherwise, I'd have been crawling over chairs and people to get video. How to get hated and/or thrown out...

I would have paid extra for that, rather than the videos taken from the stationary cameras. I don't remember it being an option at the comps I entered.
Several comps have this option now. You are followed around the floor by a camera operator with a stabilizing rig. I don't know what the results are like, but tbh as a dancer, I find it distracting and just another obstacle to avoid. Floorcraft in Standard is challenging enough without a camera operator flitting around the edges.
 
Another downside to the pro videographer is the exact opposite of what I just said. Sometimes they will zoom in on you so closely that you can't see any other couples dancing, and one of the reasons I like getting videos from comps is so I can study the other couples on the floor in my heats (why did this or that couple place first or last; how does this or that person's footwork compare to mine; I saw [famous pro's name] in the program so I know he was on the floor at the same time I was, and I'd like to see how he danced with this particular student; etc.). So if the video was zoomed in focusing only on you, you miss out on all that stuff.

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I would have paid extra for that, rather than the videos taken from the stationary cameras. I don't remember it being an option at the comps I entered.
Two comments:
(i) If in your video you want to see what other dancers are doing and don't want the videographer to "zoom in" too close on just you, you can ask them, when you order your heat, to video the "whole floor".

(ii) I'm not sure that HappyLilac and PNP are talking about the same thing when they reference the videographer "following you around the floor".
Yes, the videographers, from their fixed position, will swivel their camera around to keep you in the frame of the camera to follow you around the floor.
But, if you mean that the videographer is actually on the floor with their camera physically following you around - well, I believe I saw a fairly new NDCA rule that prohibits that.
 

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