Prog. Chasse to R, Outside Change in Quickstep

cantskiforlife

cantskiforlife

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Thoughts on timing? We are having confusion on whether it is possible to dance it as SQQSQQSS. I have always danced it SQQSSQQS.

I find it almost impossible to dance the mans part using the timing of SQQSQQSS. Thoughts?
 
cantskiforlife said:
Thoughts on timing? We are having confusion on whether it is possible to dance it as SQQSQQSS. I have always danced it SQQSSQQS.

I find it almost impossible to dance the mans part using the timing of SQQSQQSS. Thoughts?
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I think I just realized that I've never led an outside change in QS. I always end up with a back lock, running finish, tipple, or (practicing) 6 quick run.

I thought about waltz:
Code: 
[FONT=Courier New]chasse   , o. change
1 2-and 3, 1 2 3
S Q Q   S, S S S[/FONT]
<shrug> Dunno if that helps.

I might be wrong here, but:

Your SQQSSQQ reminds me of a V6.

Your SQQSQQS reminds me of...

Well, I drew a blank (well, unless, "first half of a tipsy," is useful, but I think not). I'm curious to hear whether there's an answer here.

Hmm, good puzzler, anyway (for me at least).
 
Actually, maybe I should ask Larinda, not sure I want to learn to follow your lead, rather learn to lead myself. :)
 
DL said:
Just double checking -- is outside change actually part of the quickstep syllabus?

I don't have the official technique books, but I don't see it listed on a couple of web sites I use as more casual references:
http://www.ballroomdancers.com/Dances/dance_overview.asp?Dance=QS
http://www.centralhome.com/ballroomcountry/quickstep-syllabus.htm
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Yes, you will be dancing an outside change to get into a Forward Lock from a V-6. You are also dancing an Outside Change when dancing a Weave, also called 4-6 of Weave or Weave Ending. You are in closed position when dancing the outside change part. They are all very similar.
I was wondering what level as in open level the Outside Change is almost always danced ending in Promenade. The actions are slightly different with the two different whether you end in closed position or in promenade. There for the timings will also be different.


Dancepro
 
Similar to V6 except for Chasse to Right instead of Back Lock.

The pattern is followed by a Fishtail into the corner.

If I recall correctly, in syllabus it is allowed as an ending variation. (Danced with SQQS instead of QQSS)

The question is on the timing of the outside change.
If it was danced as a QQSS. The first step is still a TH and there is a massive amount of rotation as the man is on the inside of the turn. I don't seem to understand the movement required to dance this as a quick.
 
cantskiforlife said:
Similar to V6 except for Chasse to Right instead of Back Lock.

The pattern is followed by a Fishtail into the corner.

If I recall correctly, in syllabus it is allowed as an ending variation. (Danced with SQQS instead of QQSS)

The question is on the timing of the outside change.
If it was danced as a QQSS. The first step is still a TH and there is a massive amount of rotation as the man is on the inside of the turn. I don't seem to understand the movement required to dance this as a quick.
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I need to know what you are dancing after. What you are doing before doesn't really matter. I also need to know if you are dancing open level or closed syllabus as the technique is different for the different levels and endings. I can't help you with timings and/or technique without knowing what step you are dancing after or what step you would like to dance after.

Dancepro
 
If you think of the outside change as an oppoosite-direction running finish, the QQSS timing works just fine, as you have a similar timing option with the running finish.
 
For quickstep, my grey ISTD book doesn't list Outside Change as a follow for Progressive Chasse to R., but that doesn't mean it couldn't be done. Maybe DP can give you timing info you seek. BTW, in this case, what are foot alignments for Prog Chasse to R and following Outside change?
 
Joe said:
If you think of the outside change as an oppoosite-direction running finish, the QQSS timing works just fine, as you have a similar timing option with the running finish.
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I believe the running finish is toe only on the first step backwards. I suspect that doing the outside change with a Q on the first step might suggest toe only as well.
 
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