Quo vadis Villa Urquiza?

opendoor said:
Are you really sure that it was what now is called VU? The first tango generation in Germany used to teach Todaro-style.
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How Todaro danced and taught and what is VU now don't seem all that different.
The name style has been depersonalised and mis-appropriated
Villa Urquiza to give it some sort of extra credence for marketing.

Your link strengthens indirectly the "Tango for Export" epithet.
 
newbie said:
Another brick in the VU wall. By making it alive in forums, thread after thread, maybe one day you will finally make it alive on the dance floors too.

Now if you feel like summoners, may I suggest some other mantras:
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice
Candyman Candyman Candyman Candyman Candyman
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How about starting your own thread rather than whining in this one? Do you have any opinion about the video?
 
opendoor said:
Ok, think the european ancestors actually were under this more stage-orientated influence. The deep embrace came up with milonguero style.
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c'mon, the Argentinians had to reinvent tango after Valentino made it famous as a dance
so really we're all dancing an evolved Valentino style ( without the Gaucho pants of course)
 
opendoor said:
yes and sorry, but it really appeared strange to me. The vid I watched just before was El Indio´s street performance:

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I think both examples can be considered good Villa Urquiza style.
Both couples have good musicality and they are correctly interpreting the music they are dancing.

It's just that apparently you like D'Arienzo more than Di Sarli.
 
@ chanchan: NOOoooo, it just the other way round !

I love DiSarli and I don´t like D'Arienzo and all that Tango duro and Tango bravo style music at all (as far as it is for dancing).

May be it´s kind of a generation conflict. My first teachers here in Hamburg used to play DÁrienzo and Biagi all the time.

So I became a fan of the opposite, DiSarli, Caló, deCaro, Donato...

@ DF: Please help me with my english elistist or elitistic, what´s better?

opendoor said:
..with a special elitistic attitude..
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chanchan said:
I think both examples can be considered good Villa Urquiza style.
Both couples have good musicality and they are correctly interpreting the music they are dancing.

It's just that apparently you like D'Arienzo more than Di Sarli.
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I think it's up to each individual couple to dance what they FEEL in the music, and not for anyone to say if their interpretation was correct. If they are connecting with the music, the result is a personal expression--not something to judge.

A friend recently commented to me, "oh, you don't like Pugliese." I said, "no, that's not the case. I love listening to his earlier recordings, not dancing to them. That's because his music doesn't resonate in my body, and I feel nothing dancing to it. That's why I prefer to sit and listen during the Pugliese tanda."

The next time you dance tango, identify the orchestra before stepping onto the floor. Then try to feel where the music resonates in your body. It's different for all of us. It's not that you don't like a particular orchestra, simply that the music doesn't resonate within you. That's okay. It's better to dance to the music that inspires you. You may feel Di Sarli in your heart, or Troilo in your head. This will deepen your listening and making a connection with the music.

Our dance come from within, and we have to feel the music for it to happen.
 
jantango said:
I think it's up to each individual couple to dance what they FEEL in the music, and not for anyone to say if their interpretation was correct.
If they are connecting with the music, the result is a personal expression--not something to judge.
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Yes, if they are connecting with the music.
By saying "correctly interpreting" i was just meaning that they are connecting with the music: I am not judging HOW they feel the music, I just mean that they FEEL it.

Everyone has his style and his personal way to interpret the music, but it is not a big surprise for me if a very soft music style with many pauses and embellishments is danced "heavenly", with risings and shines, while the "Tango Duro" (I like this term! :wink:) is danced more earthy, grounding, with power...

The rhythm, the power, the energy of D'Arienzo is not only imagination and personal feeling: it is something that you can objectively see in his face and his arms while directing his orchestra, something that enters inside your body and moves your legs.

The same is true for the refinement, shines and politeness of Di Sarli.
The next time you dance tango, identify the orchestra before stepping onto the floor. Then try to feel where the music resonates in your body. It's different for all of us. It's not that you don't like a particular orchestra, simply that the music doesn't resonate within you. That's okay. It's better to dance to the music that inspires you. You may feel Di Sarli in your heart, or Troilo in your head. This will deepen your listening and making a connection with the music.

Our dance come from within, and we have to feel the music for it to happen.
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I perfectly agree with you. Anyway I think that when a dancer says "I like A and don't like B" it is usually referred to the dance: it means that A resonates in my body and B no.
 
Re: Tango duro, Tango bravo

chanchan said:
..like ... is usually referred to the dance..
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hi chanchan, yes that´s it, there are pieces I prefer to watch (as f.i D´Arienzo´s Loca ) Whereas my attention does not concentrate on D´Arienzo himself, I look at the feet of the bandionistas!

to dance (as f.i Caló´s Que te importa )

or simply to listen to (as f.i. Rovira´s A Evaristo ) By the way, are you musician?

@ AndaBien and Steve: yes, I meant the adjective to elite. My online dict didn´t have it, and throughout the web 2/3 use elitist, and only 1/3 elitistic. So what is the better choice? Thx in advance.

OD
 
opendoor said:
...@ AndaBien and Steve: yes, I meant the adjective to elite. My online dict didn´t have it, and throughout the web 2/3 use elitist, and only 1/3 elitistic. So what is the better choice?
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"Elite" would be the best word to use. I've never heard "elitistic", so I was joking about it.
 
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