Quo vadis Villa Urquiza?

[Steve Pastor]

And here I thought I was going to have to learn a new word!

 

[Oldgeezer]

Misguided

Well, just another VU thread, but forgive me, I saw this vid and wondered, if this is still the dance I learned.

Too much tendencies towards ballroom, too heavenly instead of earthy, bobbing (rising) instead of grounding, shines and politeness instead of power..

Sorry, perhaps due to my currrent mood..

Sorry, ballroom tango tendencies?, None of the following ballroom traits "heel leads, staccato action, right side lead, no rise and fall to name a few. All I see is a couple dancing a lovely version of Milonga/Argentine very well! I understand that there are different styles of Argentine, each to be embraced and loved.

Just a point on "power" that you think is missing in the video, the man is walking forward "not using a heel lead" this requires power "similar to a samba forward basic" which is then suppressed to make the transition smooth, there is a lot more to power than just being "raw".

 

[dchester]

yes, I meant the adjective to elite. My online dict didn´t have it, and throughout the web 2/3 use elitist, and only 1/3 elitistic. So what is the better choice? Thx in advance.

OD

Around where I am, elite is used as either a noun or an adjective. The same holds true for elitist (although it's more often used as a noun). Elitistic is an adjective, but these days most people just use elite (in the adjective form) instead (an elite athlete, an elite dancer, etc.).

 

[milongadicto]

RE: Gabriel Misse's style (because I don't want to get into the whole Villa Urquiza discussion, which I think is all a bunch of nonsense), for me there is a thin line between a dance with a very individual style and one that is just plain weird. That's why my liking of Gabriel Misse varies from time to time, from performance to performance, because his style is often on or close to the aforementioned borderline.
By the way...... the couples at the back watching, i.e. Javier Rodriguez-Andrea Misse and "Bichi" Andres Laza Moreno-Isabel Acuna are nothing short of amazing, especially the latter who are an up and coming young couple... Watch out for them!

 

[opendoor]

..there is a thin line between a dance with a very individual style and one that is just plain weird...

I can go along with that. And a professional artist will certainly roll to a fro along that line. Thx milongadicto!

 

[Oldgeezer]

Nowt wrong with AT

Regrettably it already is.

Do you not like Argentine as your profile points otherwise?

I can see there are issues with differing styles of tango, I don't see why there should be? With jive there are different styles that are accepted and admired by other stylists, there is plenty of room for all.

I understand the argument where "Macd's claim to have invented the new burger and that this is like no other burger" "it's just cheap marketing". I can understand AT dancers getting hot under the collar and I would agree with them.

In Intnl. Latin dances are always developing, sometimes they stick with a particular style for a few years especially rumba, usually dependent on the dominant coaches or leading couple "but it is still a rumba"!

 

[v22TTC]

Re: élitism etc (as I find the words used):-

'élite' is a non-judgemental (unless admiring) description of something 'self-evidently' 'superior': a member of the aristocracy is élite, is an élite, and will receive an élite education; Ricardo Vidort was an élite Tanguero etc;

'élitism' is the belief/doctrine that that is acceptable: say, the belief that established Tangueros should solely dictate what is acceptable in milongas;

'élitist' can technically be the dry adjective, but 'élite' serves more often in that role now; with 'élitist' (usually) being a pejorative adjective attacking the concept/practice of élitism: 'opera is élitist', 'two-tier schooling is élitist', 'those old Tangueros telling everyone what to do is élitist' etc;

'élitistic' may be a neologism, but I'd never heard of it, and none of my dictionaries are having it.

[Note, the Tango examples were merely to provide some Tango-relevance: they have no further significance; nor am I stating any opinion of my own.]

 

[chanchan]

hi chanchan, yes that´s it, there are pieces I prefer to watch (as f.i D´Arienzo´s Loca ) Whereas my attention does not concentrate on D´Arienzo himself, I look at the feet of the bandionistas!

Well, and I feel like moving in the same way.

to dance (as f.i Caló´s Que te importa )

or simply to listen to (as f.i. Rovira´s A Evaristo ) By the way, are you musician?

Actually I can play, but I am mainly a dancer.

 

[tangogo-dancer]

'élite' [...]
'élitism' [...]
'élitist' [...]
'élitistic' [...]

My 2 cents on the subject as those words are clearly borrowed from the French langage : "élitistique" doesn't exist. By the way, I find it interesting that the English langage should keep the 'é' but not the final 'e' in élitisme and élitiste, whereas you do for élite.

 

[Zoopsia59]

My 2 cents on the subject as those words are clearly borrowed from the French langage : "élitistique" doesn't exist. By the way, I find it interesting that the English langage should keep the 'é' but not the final 'e' in élitisme and élitiste, whereas you do for élite.

English doesn't borrow from other languages... it follows other languages into dark alleys, hits them over the head, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

(wish I could take credit for that, but I read it in a siggie line here on dance forums)

 

[chanchan]

My 2 cents on the subject as those words are clearly borrowed from the French langage : "élitistique" doesn't exist. By the way, I find it interesting that the English langage should keep the 'é' but not the final 'e' in élitisme and élitiste, whereas you do for élite.

I suppose it's because the only borrowed word is elite.
In italian we have elite, elitarismo, elitario.

 

[v22TTC]

By the way, I find it interesting that the English langage should keep the 'é' but not the final 'e' in élitisme and élitiste, whereas you do for élite.

Keeping the 'e' or dropping it brings the respective words more in line with how words are pronounced in English.

English doesn't borrow from other languages... it follows other languages into dark alleys, hits them over the head, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

(wish I could take credit for that, but I read it in a siggie line here on dance forums)

It's a classic quotation, but not very accurate (same with talking about 'borrowing' such words) - more like: English was a poor little ol' language, trying to keep itself to itself, hiding down the end of a dark alley; but pesky aggressors kept forcing words upon it at sword-point!.. very late in the day, it decided to get some payback.