Rasche notation

Aurora said:
It is very different from Labanotation. Here is a fairly basic example of Labanotation: http://dancenotation.org/lnbasics/frame0.html (There is a link on this page to some examples of L. used for ballroom, including a little tango.)
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Hi, and thanks.

I can tell that the two are very different. I was wondering why one would be developed if the other already existed, when one might choose to use one rather than the other, for that matter when and for what purposes one might ordinarily choose to use a formal notation system at all, what kinds of things are more naturally expressed in one than the other, what the most sophisticated uses of each are, etc., etc.

Cheers,
DL
 
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DL said:
Hi, and thanks.

I can tell that the two are very different. I was wondering why one would be developed if the other already existed, when one might choose to use one rather than the other, for that matter when and for what purposes one might ordinarily choose to use a formal notation system at all, what kinds of things are more naturally expressed in one than the other, what the most sophisticated uses of each are, etc., etc.

Cheers,
DL
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It helps to have a basic understanding of Labanotation. First, Labanotation was developed as a way to document movement of any kind. (In comparison, Rasche Notation was developed for Argentine Tango. I haven't looked too closely at it, but from what I have seen it is at least limited to making sense of partner dance steps, and without much thought to notating spacial elements and quality of movement.) Second, Labanotation is VERY complex. You can become certified to use it for movement analysis and receive advanced degrees from institutes devoted to it. It takes a lot to learn it--and a lot to use it. Really, there aren't many dance practitioners I know of who find it a useful system of notation for their daily practice. However, attempts have been made to document dance for posterity using Labanotation. Rasche Notation, on the other hand, seems to have developed as a very practical memory aid.
 
I was not aware of the Rasche notation. Like everybody I developped my own notation over the years. Having looked at the link, it seems that something is missing about where the weight is.
 
I haven't heard of Rasche notation, but will definitely check out that link.

But I have to vent... I. hated. Labanotation.

Most useless and convoluted thing I was forced to learn... ever... in my dance education.
 
I should just point out that I dont know Thomas Rasche personally blah blah. I do know he's been dancing for a long time though (originally in Berlin in the 90s). Could be the notation is his version of "done it all seen it all - let's see what else we can do".

Still we could all do with *some* way of keeping decent notes after a class couldnt we?!!
 
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I haven't heard of Rasche notation, but will definitely check out that link.

But I have to vent... I. hated. Labanotation.

Most useless and convoluted thing I was forced to learn... ever... in my dance education.
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Well, I've seen a little mention in web searches of programs that use Laban notation as input, to fully specify how computer-generated actors should move. Is it really rich enough for that purpose? Is Rasche notation?

Maybe it's just the computer science student in me but that kind of formal specification language seems to hold a lot of possibilities. But I don't know whether they're anything like the kinds of things for which such systems were developed in the first place.
 
Would be interesting to see it in action.

Ive just noticed that it has generated an extremely heated debate on the yahoo tango-uk e-group. Having read that I need to go and have a lie down ....

(systemizers vs freedom fighters)
 
This is an old thread, but I was curious if notation is still being used in Argentine tango. To me it seems like there should be a system for documenting, but maybe now with video so widely used it is less important?
 
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