Rebound/musicality

[chansondiamor]

hi, i was dancing tango last night as a lead and we did a rebound where you step forward and then back a half step and forward again.


the way the teacher showed us, we went 1,2,3,4,1 & 2 was the step forward that then goes back.


i could do this but then when it came to do it again, i wasn't sure whether i had to wait until the same beat, or listen to the music, as the follower seemed to want to go back at different moments. Is this a musicality issue?

 

[TTanguero]

From your description, you might be talking about an interrupted step, which is kind of a very slight rebound before the continuing the step. Either way, don't worry about counting, just do the rebound/interrupt where it fits the music.

 

[opendoor]

..Is this a musicality issue?

Hello, chansondiamor, yes its a musicality thing. And there is no right or wrong. A rebound (rebote) is not a fixed figure, but rather an accentuation that should fit to the music. In the long run, you will learn to perform such rebounds on every beat. What your teacher showed you yesterday (i.e., 1&2) is just one of four possibilities. You can also perform a rebote on 4&1, 2&4, or 3&4. All variations are equally important. Even the run-up of 4 beats beforehand is completely arbitrary. Also learn to perform them in a chain without a break, 1&2 and 3&4, etc.

 

[Paja]

I know this feeling, like two wagons bumping by bumpers back and forth. I prefer to use close embrace and be strong to mark change of direction. And if follower is slower, then wait and try it again and again. Rebote is very important to know and use.

 

[tangomaniac]

Sounds like a rock step.

 

[Steve Pastor]

The last time I took a beginner lesson I was following a true beginner. When he did his forward step he did a complete weight transfer when he did his forward step. It was awfully awkward. I just HAD suggest that maybe he could put less than full weight onto that forward stepping leg.
That's basically what I do,
Looking a a few videos, I see that at least one person teaches a full weight change on the forward step.
As for musicality and timing... I like this couple and what he is doing is what I do.
They dance to music around 4:30.

 

[Bailango]

The last time I took a beginner lesson I was following a true beginner. When he did his forward step he did a complete weight transfer when he did his forward step. It was awfully awkward. I just HAD suggest that maybe he could put less than full weight onto that forward stepping leg.

I was going to say he was finishing full weight transfer on the forward step too soon. Weight transfer has to match the music.

Are you talking in the context of forward rock step or regular forward steps ?

For rebound/rock step/rebore, there is never a full weight transfer, right?

That's basically what I do,
Looking a a few videos, I see that at least one person teaches a full weight change on the forward step.

Will be interesting to see how it is explained.

 

[Steve Pastor]

I disagree with what he is doing so won't post the link, but the vid title is
Tango exercises for Leaders: "REBOTES" (Argentine Tango for Beginners)

 

[TTanguero]

For rebound/rock step/rebore, there is never a full weight transfer, right?

Either can work. When there is not a full weight transfer, I would personally describe that as an interrupted step. However, if you are using a rebound to turn, then you definitely want a full weight transfer as you need to free up the other leg to return to the floor in a different position.

 

[Bailango]

I guess we all may not be using the terminology to mean the same thing. Interrupted..rockstar…remote..rebound.

Hard to discuss without a video.

 

[TTanguero]

Rebote is just the Spanish for rebound, so we can at least eliminate one term from our definitions.

I also think rock-step is very clear that it is a full weight change, as it's generally taught to beginners as an easy first way to begin turning.

What I refer to as an interrupted step (sometimes also called a check-step) would be very commonly used in milonga, for example, where you begin a step, don't complete the weight transfer, and then take the step again. That is, the 'stumble' in milonga.

 

[TTanguero]

The turn part of this is what I would consider a classic rock-step:

 

[Paja]

What I refer to as an interrupted step (sometimes also called a check-step) would be very commonly used in milonga, for example, where you begin a step, don't complete the weight transfer, and then take the step again. That is, the 'stumble' in milonga.

You refer to Traspie, which is kind of Rebote, but with very small or without weight transfer. And now we can start endless discussion if Traspie is or is not Rebote. What is correct technique and diference between Miloga Lisa and Milonga Traspie. If you can use Traspie as step in Milonga Lisa in Tango or in Wals. If and how you can lead Traspie in open embrace, or if it is possible in close embrace only...

 

[Brummbaer]

I disagree with what he is doing so won't post the link, but the vid title is
Tango exercises for Leaders: "REBOTES" (Argentine Tango for Beginners)

To me, that's far too heavy. However, I do recollect doing such exercises as a beginner. IIRC it was in preparation for what one teacher used to describe as a 'classic' ocho cortado sequence (cross, rock step, leader: change, back step including turn towards follower; follower: fwd, side - and 'cut'). But, of course, there are other entries, and leader steps, to that cut step.

Turning (parallel) rock steps were also a simple way to navigate a corner (or see who was behind - or in front, with a tall partner or obstructing hair style). And then we move on to cross-system rebotes and even a forced cross...

So I can visualise the group class walking round the ronda doing similar rock steps. As a descriptive, beginner, exercise I don't see an issue, but moving quickly on...

 

[Brummbaer]

You refer to Traspie, which is kind of Rebote, but with very small or without weight transfer. And now we can start endless discussion if Traspie is or is not Rebote. What is correct technique and diference between Miloga Lisa and Milonga Traspie. If you can use Traspie as step in Milonga Lisa in Tango or in Wals. If and how you can lead Traspie in open embrace, or if it is possible in close embrace only...

Traspié has become an overloaded term. Originally it meant a miss-step - a walking step with a syncopated cross in 2 beats of music. Nowadays it tends to refer to a style of milonga dancing that is both fast, and uses small, fast, steps to a double-beat compared with milonga lisa, where dancers step on each strong beat.

I wouldn't describe the original traspié as a rebote. They're distinct. You can simply walk solo to the beat and include traspié!

If you go fast; you go small. The milonga embrace is more 'compact' than, say, a 'relaxed', close, tango embrace. I used to reserve milonga for my regular partner (it was better only 2 people suffered), but I've long since got past that. I would say that the follower needs some familiarity with the vocabulary, so I guess you could lead it 'open', but you communicate small, fast, steps better in 'close'.

Just to add - it's not necessary for both partners to do those 'traspié' (small, fast, double-time) steps. One partner can do those whilst the other does single-time.