Rebound/musicality

I certainly learned three different things: touch (no or almost no weight transfer), rebote (some weight transfer but significantly less than full), and rock (full or almost full weight transfer). As I learned them:

A touch is an unweighted open-close movement for the visuals, with no dynamic effect beyond that caused by a light flick of a leg to a nearby spot and back again, so short and swift that the average dancer often can't feel it. One partner but not the other can do it as a de facto adorno. It can be led, but as with all leads of totally unweighted leg movement, that takes patience. More usually, where both do it in social dance, it isn't so much lead-follow as "monkey see, monkey do" – an acceptable choreography.

A linear rebote is basically the same thing but with the intent to have lead-follow. The slight weight transfer enables that. It can be open-close – but with weight transfer you gain the new option of cutting up a single step into a stuttering one. That's just a question of whether the lead is "open-close" ("out a bit, push, back in") or "open-open more" ("out a bit, push, out a bit more"). It's common in milonga, where it's sometimes called a "traspié" (which I was taught is any rebote or full step while crossed, forcing a "stumble"). I said "linear rebote" because "rebote" is also commonly used to refer to a boleo at floor level, led by a spiral direction change rather than any kind of weight transfer . . . in fact, that's the common use of "rebote" by the teachers I've had.

A rock starts and finishes open – closing means it's over and some other step has started – and involves a heavy weight transfer. It can involve placing a foot somewhat distant from or close to, and outside or inside, one's partner's foot, depending on whether the goal is a Tango 101 rocking turn, or a true alteracione to change direction radically or join very different classes of movement. It can cross in the process, but nobody would call it a traspié because you're staying open, not stepping and "stumbling."

I also learned that these can be mixed up. Done on purpose, you get things like amagues (often danced as a touch that develops sudden weight transfer as in a rock), which are useful for leading and interpreting changes of direction and dynamics. Done by mistake, you get arguments like new milonga dancers being grumpy because they wanted to lead a rebote but did a touch (so their partner didn't move) or a full transfer (so their partner stepped or ended up open, awaiting a rock, instead of returning to collection).

Your mileage may vary on the terminology, but all of these things are incredibly useful on busy floors, where getting your leg back in quickly, or changing direction hastily, are survival techniques. Much more useful than all the fancy turns people try to do when there's no space for them, and often more musical. To answer the original question somewhat: I wasn't taught specific musicality for any of the above. You want to make sure some part of one dancer is touching or rebounding or stepping on some clear part of the music, but I've had teachers illustrate all kinds of stuff, like "touch on 1, rebote 2&3, land open 4, rock on 1-3-1-3."
 
A touch is an unweighted open-close movement for the visuals, with no dynamic effect beyond that caused by a light flick of a leg to a nearby spot and back again, so short and swift that the average dancer often can't feel it. One partner but not the other can do it as a de facto adorno. It can be led, but as with all leads of totally unweighted leg movement, that takes patience.
I've never understood quite how followers follow this, but they almost always do!
 
Traspié has become an overloaded term..
A small addition to what I wrote in March this year.

There are rebotes with and without distance gain. The first type includes cunita and traspié, the second the sobre paso. I discussed it recently in another thread:
An argentine teacher and show dancer has criticized me recently: dont make that much of rebotes, use sobre-passos..
 
Last edited:
I've never understood quite how followers follow this, but they almost always do!
It’s following the intention of a step while maintaining a clear “don’t change weight”. Mostly it’s lead with a downward pressure on the standing leg with a simultaneous linear indication with the free.

Quite fun to do in a practice or class setting to try leading and following each of a tap, traspie and side step.
 
The first type includes cunita and traspié, the second the sobre paso
I discovered some years ago that I'd been using a sobrepaso (over-step) without knowing its name (and, I believe, initially thanks to Petróleo again). Like cunita (cradle), rock-step - a subtle difference between them, which generally I wouldn't distinguish, as types of rebotes.

I don't think any of this helps the OP:rolleyes:

Just get on and use them in some dance.
 
The last time I took a beginner lesson I was following a true beginner. When he did his forward step he did a complete weight transfer when he did his forward step. It was awfully awkward. I just HAD suggest that maybe he could put less than full weight onto that forward stepping leg.
That's basically what I do,
Looking a a few videos, I see that at least one person teaches a full weight change on the forward step.
As for musicality and timing... I like this couple and what he is doing is what I do.
They dance to music around 4:30.

Could be a cunita rather than rebote. Cunita is, as I recall, a soft forward and back on the same leg.
 
Rebote Could not find a definition in my saved notes. Meanwhile...

Cunita - Cradle: A forward and backward rocking step done in time with the music and with or without chiches, which is useful for marking time or changing direction in a small space. This movement may be turned to the left or right, danced
with either the left or right leg forward, and repeated as desired. See

Chiche (pl. chiches) - Small ornamental beats done around the supporting foot with the working foot in time with the music, either in front or in back as desired. See adorno, firulete.

And then there is the rock step. I’ve found at least 2 different definitions.
Note that some (many?) of these terms do not have one, and only one definition.
 
Last edited:
Could not find a definition in my saved notes. Meanwhile..
You obviously used the old standard, tejastango
Generally I wouldn't distinguish between a cunita (cuna=cradle, so a small cradle) and a rock step, and take rock step as a simplified English description of a 'cradle'-like rocking move. A few do distinguish. IIRC, in one it can be about bringing your feet together between each 'rock', but to me these just come under variants.

Rebote is just a rebound without stepping. And then there's some consideration of how much weight is transferred before rebounding. So a cunita uses rebounds (rebotes) on each 'rock'. How much you use depends on musicality.

Google will provide other tango terminology listings, but a clue to the lack of clarity might be the English interpretation of (Argentine-) Spanish terms and understanding.

If someone links an expanded, updated, tango glossary, that would be good. I've found some in the past.
 
Google will provide other tango terminology listings, but a clue to the lack of clarity might be the English interpretation of (Argentine-) Spanish terms and understanding.

If someone links an expanded, updated, tango glossary, that would be good. I've found some in the past.
It isn't highly standardized, even in Spanish among Argentines. Invitee teachers at our festivals can't agree – one couple uses one term, while the couple running the workshop one studio down at the same time uses another. I found this amusing while going from room to room on a festival organizer's errands!

Balanceo, cadencia, cunita . . . cruce, cruzada . . . arrastre, barrida . . . lapiz, rulo . . . when is an entrada a sacada (and some teachers definitely use them interchangeably) . . . is an enganche a leg wrap or a canyengue step with the legs pressed together . . . hours of arguments and confusion! So many people are completely, totally convinced they're right and that other uses are wrong that you can lose important body parts in the ensuing spat. I'm not telling some Argentine grandmaster that he's using "cadencia" to mean a step when all the others are using it to mean the quality of a walk, or that people here won't understand "cruce" because local teachers all say "cruzada."

This is why plain-English (-French, -German, whatever you speak) terms that unartistically describe the nature of the movement are probably better for discussion. Nobody messes up "cross" or "rock" in English. Ballet terms aren't bad, either, because they're highly formalized; nobody who dances will mess up "rond de jambe" or "battement," either.
 
..Google will provide other tango terminology listings, but a clue to the lack of clarity might be the..
There's no "lack of clarity," only a lack of tango classes, tango knowledge, analysis, and historical knowledge. So who are you actually trying to defend?
 
There's nothing to defend! If it's not clear from a description, even including video, then the receiver was unable to access the information from the manner of presentation. A simple, single, word description in any language may require many others to clarify a meaning, although it acts as a ready content-lookup look for others.

When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.

(Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass)
 

Dance Ads

Advertise on Dance Forums Reach dancers, teachers, studios, event organizers, and dance-friendly brands. View ad options
Back
Top