restoring old Tango recordings

I have listened to parts of several of your renditions, but can't honestly say that I find them improved, compared with the commercial releases.

An issue such as the correction of pitch/tempo requires far more sophisticated software than a free download like Audacity, for decent results. I regularly use it, myself, to alter the speed (but not pitch) of dance music to bring it to a particular tempo (where the original is already within a few percent of what I require). With a decent, modern recording of normal dynamic & frequency range, it is immediately obvious that the correction process has radically altered the fidelity of the original (and not for the better) - and the trade off is having a piece which is usable, rather than not. Exactly the same distortions will be introduced by processing material of lower initial fidelity, but the result can only have less fidelity - never more.

In fact, this is an objection to almost any processing of this kind. There is nothing, really, that can be done to add back what isn't there. You can change the overall dynamic range, you can alter the relative volume of different frequency ranges (but again, Audacity's tools are crude), but you can't remove distortion, or add missing information. The original recordings of the Golden Age (and before) are fundamentally compromised, and for me, I would rather hear 100% of what we have, than less than 100% - you can only take away, you can't add anything.

The record companies have access to far more sophisticated tools than most of us, and it is a shame that more isn't done to render the very best possible versions of material for commercial release. But given that there is so much of musical value that isn't available commercially at all, I suppose we should be grateful for what we can get. Speaking as a collector (in a modest way), I'd far rather pay more my music, knowing the a proportion of the money was going to fund a wider reissue/restoration programme, than I would continue to buy the music at the rock-bottom prices at which it is readily available from US-based mail order businesses. But that's another issue.
 
I've listened to all of them and they sound tidy. I don't know how much improvement over the originals as I haven't heard them.
 
..In fact, this is an objection to almost any processing of this kind. There is nothing, really, that can be done to add back what isn't there....
But this now tends to be a philosophical/epistemiological question. Back to Lobo´s 78 rpm question, here in Hamburg we got a shellac milonga, but only a tiny number really wants to/can dance to this quality.
 
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I have listened to parts of several of your renditions, but can't honestly say that I find them improved, compared with the commercial releases.


Hi UKDancer… thanks for taking the time to listen to some of my “dusted” music pieces on my blog. I agree with many of your comments and know that only limited improvements can be achieved. And sure, we start with a “fundamentally compromised” product.

Still, I believe I can do something, and this is why I spend sometimes hours on two and a half minutes of music, to enhance the “listening experience” for the enjoyment of the dancer and hopefully this expresses itself in more enjoyable dancing. This is where I am coming from. It is not the more sophisticated machinery, but the feeling and the heart, I use to evaluate if a change causes an “improvement”. If it does not, I leave things as they are.

And I accept that you have different criteria to judge the result of my work and I understand with your point of view. I have been DJing for several years and the majority of the dancers do not make any comments about my music. Maybe, their steady appearance at the Milongas could be interpreted as an appreciation of my work. I like this. And there is a small number of dancers with whom we have discussions on the “dusted” music and we make sure we do not end up with “less than 100%” but hopefully with 120%.

Maybe, UKDancer, have a read in my blog where I talk about where I am coming from and what I aim to achieve. Thanks again.
 
I've listened to all of them and they sound tidy. I don't know how much improvement over the originals as I haven't heard them.


Hi LKSO… (what does this stand for?) My question is; “do you like the music being tidy?” This is one of the main jobs when “dusting” a piece of music. Getting rid of most of the scratches and crackles. Most often I do this individually, one by one. And it is not only to get rid of a click but also, how it is done.
 
Those are my initials. (I wasn't feeling creative when I signed up.)

I've heard old recordings with the LP crackle and while they aren't initially annoying, they can become so over repeated listenings. So yes, I like the tidiness of the sound even though the sound is lacking to begin with. But also because it's lacking, it makes it sound like a different era. Comparing classics to newer recorded versions make the newer versions sound more lively, but doesn't make it sound like I was transported back in time. I think this is the beauty of old recordings - your mind can fill in for the lower fidelity.
 
Those are my initials. (I wasn't feeling creative when I signed up.)

I've heard old recordings with the LP crackle and while they aren't initially annoying, they can become so over repeated listenings. So yes, I like the tidiness of the sound even though the sound is lacking to begin with. But also because it's lacking, it makes it sound like a different era. Comparing classics to newer recorded versions make the newer versions sound more lively, but doesn't make it sound like I was transported back in time. I think this is the beauty of old recordings - your mind can fill in for the lower fidelity.

Ah... you warm my heart. You express it very well: "the mind can fill in for the lower fidelity" and maybe the heart helps a bit, too.
this is where I try to find a balance, between the annoyance of crackles, changes of tempo and volume and still maintaining the mood of old charm.
 

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