Returning to the dance studio safely (covid-19)

[sbrnsmith]

Forgot to add, that they did use the temporary facilities in NY including the Javits center, Central Park hospital as well as the USNS Comfort.

 

[IndyLady]

I'm barely over 60 myself, but I'm continuing to gain about a pound a week while dance studios and practices are unavailable. My assessment is that it would be healthier for me to return to exercise and take my chances with Covid-19 than to continue to gain weight and take my chances with heart disease, cancer, and diabetes. I don't want to stay on track to becoming obese before a vaccine comes out.

This strikes me as dubious... ballroom dance is not the only form of exercise, and IME, diet plays just as much of a role. There is a myriad of other options for physical fitness right now if that is a concern.

 

[Warren J. Dew]

This strikes me as dubious... ballroom dance is not the only form of exercise, and IME, diet plays just as much of a role. There is a myriad of other options for physical fitness right now if that is a concern.

Most forms of physical fitness don't help with weight loss; in my experience HIIT is the only thing that works for me. In addition to ballroom practice, I could get that by running wind sprints, but the one track in my area is closed. The sidewalks in my area are not level enough to risk my knees with running. I do walk up eight flights of stairs to get my heart rate up once a week, but that's not really sufficient.

Diet does play a bigger role, but my diet hasn't changed significantly. Past age 50 or so, I've found that diet alone is not sufficient to avoid overweight in a healthy way.

Your argument isn't valid from a public health perspective anyway. The issue is whether people will get exercise, not whether they could get exercise if they were different people that acted differently. The way to actually get exercise is to find a form of exercise that one actually enjoys. For me, that's ballroom dance.

 

[Warren J. Dew]

To also just say that those that are elderly or at risk shouldn’t work the Covid wards is simplistic. Many don’t have a choice. Many are deployed to those areas where they are needed. Most don’t want to lose their jobs as it’s their livelihood.

Areas which still need to borrow medical workers from other areas should probably not be reopening for people of any age, so the issue of age discrimination doesn't come up.

 

[snapdancer]

Do you understand that every COVID patient in the hospital is a risk to any healthcare worker of any age?

Don't become a patient.

 

[Warren J. Dew]

Do you understand that every COVID patient in the hospital is a risk to any healthcare worker of any age?

In that sense, any infectious patient in the hospital is a risk to any healthcare worker of any age.

It's their job. If they don't like that risk, they should get a different job, with different risks.

Don't become a patient.

Then open the dance studios, so older people like me get our exercise and stay healthy enough to avoid getting a serious case that requires hospitalization.

 

[IndyLady]

Most forms of physical fitness don't help with weight loss; in my experience HIIT is the only thing that works for me. In addition to ballroom practice, I could get that by running wind sprints, but the one track in my area is closed. The sidewalks in my area are not level enough to risk my knees with running. I do walk up eight flights of stairs to get my heart rate up once a week, but that's not really sufficient.

Diet does play a bigger role, but my diet hasn't changed significantly. Past age 50 or so, I've found that diet alone is not sufficient to avoid overweight in a healthy way.

Your argument isn't valid from a public health perspective anyway. The issue is whether people will get exercise, not whether they could get exercise if they were different people that acted differently. The way to actually get exercise is to find a form of exercise that one actually enjoys. For me, that's ballroom dance.

Some people adjust to their circumstances, others go through extensive mental gymnastics to justify why they shouldn't have to. :shrug:

 

[Warren J. Dew]

Some people adjust to their circumstances, others go through extensive mental gymnastics to justify why they shouldn't have to. :shrug:

Fortunately for me, I'm in the former category.

 

[ProgressNotPerfection]

I'm continuing to gain about a pound a week while dance studios and practices are unavailable. My assessment is that it would be healthier for me to return to exercise and take my chances with Covid-19 than to continue to gain weight and take my chances with heart disease, cancer, and diabetes. I don't want to stay on track to becoming obese before a vaccine comes out.

I need that exercise and I need dance studios to do it.

That sounds a lot like mental gymnastics.

Most forms of physical fitness don't help with weight loss; in my experience HIIT is the only thing that works for me. In addition to ballroom practice, I could get that by running wind sprints, but the one track in my area is closed. The sidewalks in my area are not level enough to risk my knees with running. I do walk up eight flights of stairs to get my heart rate up once a week, but that's not really sufficient.

So does that.

Diet does play a bigger role, but my diet hasn't changed significantly. Past age 50 or so, I've found that diet alone is not sufficient to avoid overweight in a healthy way....The issue is whether people will get exercise, not whether they could get exercise if they were different people that acted differently. The way to actually get exercise is to find a form of exercise that one actually enjoys. For me, that's ballroom dance.

So does that.

Anyway, FWIW, my suggestion is that you should do those 8 flights of stairs more often than once a week, and find some online HIIT workouts that you can do in your living room a couple times a week (whether or not you enjoy them), until ballroom dancing becomes available again as a form of exercise. In my view, that’s how someone would “adjust to their circumstances.”

 

[sbrnsmith]

Areas which still need to borrow medical workers from other areas should probably not be reopening for people of any age, so the issue of age discrimination doesn't come up.

Obviously you haven’t worked in a hospital so don’t have any idea how things work

 

[sbrnsmith]

In that sense, any infectious patient in the hospital is a risk to any healthcare worker of any age.

It's their job. If they don't like that risk, they should get a different job, with different risks.


Then open the dance studios, so older people like me get our exercise and stay healthy enough to avoid getting a serious case that requires hospitalization.

Again, that’s being selfish. Other infections aren’t highly contagious, lethal, cause multi organ failure and death rapidly, or a prolonged recovery- with permanent damage to lungs and other organs, AND that don’t have any effective treatment or vaccine available. It’s a once in a lifetime pandemic. No most of us did not sign up to be exposed by people who are casually taking their chances. If you want to take your chances with Covid, for whatever reason, we don’t care. But unfortunately for us, your actions are not just affecting you. But all of us. We have elderly parents, kids, a spouse also, and we are scared to death everyday of infecting them in addition to ourselves. We are scared to see our colleagues in the ICU fighting for their lives, and thinking we could be next.

 

[Warren J. Dew]

That sounds a lot like mental gymnastics.

I'd say your doing your dance lessons while claiming that older people shouldn't get the benefits that you do is what sounds like mental gymnastics.

 

[Warren J. Dew]

permanent damage to lungs and other organs

Please provide a citation or stop speculating. Last time someone claimed that their source said no such thing.

We have elderly parents, kids, a spouse also, and we are scared to death everyday of infecting them in addition to ourselves. We are scared to see our colleagues in the ICU fighting for their lives, and thinking we could be next.

Sounds like you're just being selfish too.

 

[Warren J. Dew]

Eddie Ares’ studio in Atlanta has reopened.

It has now been three weeks since Georgia reopened their businesses, including dance studios. If that was going to result in a return to exponential growth in cases, it should have shown up in the statistics starting about a week ago, and been obvious by now.

It hasn't. Georgia has seen roughly the same stable rate of new cases. While I was skeptical of Georgia's reopening initially, it seems they were careful enough about their reopening that their decision was sound.

That doesn't mean it's necessarily time to reopen everywhere, but I think it's a hopeful sign.

 

[ProgressNotPerfection]

I'd say your doing your dance lessons while claiming that older people shouldn't get the benefits that you do is what sounds like mental gymnastics.

Huh??? When did I claim that?