Right age to start AT?

Well, blimey, all this stuff about expressing your soul, about needing to know loss and suffering, good grief.

I reckon we need a "You can only do Tango if..." version of this page...

OR this the saxophone equivalent..http://tamingthesaxophone.com/how-to-play-saxophone.html

First things first. If you're a white guy you'll need a stupid hat, the stupid the better and preferably a beret. Sunglasses are optional, but all the really really good players wear them, especially indoors. You'll also need some "gig shirts" -- Hawaiians are good, in a pinch anything with a loud floral pattern is acceptable, as are T shirts from various jazz clubs and festivals. The good thing about the latter is that you can get them mail order, so you don't have to go to all the trouble of actually seeing live music. And sandals are an absolute must, even in winter.

Next, you'll need the correct ligature. Some people think that the ligature is just a stupid piece of old metal that holds the reed on the mouthpiece. Well, those people are idiots. Besides your beret the ligature is the single most important piece of musical equipment you will ever buy. Mine, for example, is 40% platinum and 60% titanium; one screw is rubidium and the other plutonium. It makes me sound exactly like Booker Ervin would if Booker Ervin were (1) not dead and (2) on Mars, if (2)(a) there was oxygen on Mars. You may have to spend years and years and thousands of dollars finding the proper ligature, but in the end it will definitely be worth it.

Now: reeds. Optimally you'll want to move to Cuba, grow and cure your own cane and carve your own reeds by hand. If you're just a "weekend warrior" however, you can get by with store-bought. First, buy ten boxes of reeds, 100 in all. Next, open all the boxes and throw away 60 reeds. Those were unplayable. Take the remaining reeds and soak them in a mixture of 27.8 % rubbing alcohol and 72.2 % pituitary gland extract for a period of 17 weeks. Throw away 20 more reeds. Those were stuffy. Take the remaining 20 reeds and sand each one for exactly 13 seconds with #1200 grade 3M sandpaper. Throw away 14 reeds. Those squeaked. Take the remaining 6 reeds and soak them for another 17 weeks, this time however in a mixture of 27.8% pituitary gland extract and 72.2 % rubbing alcohol. Sun dry the 6 remaining reeds for 3 weeks, optimally at an equatorial latitude, and throw away 3 more just on general principles. You now have 3 reeds that will last you several months if you play each one only 20 minutes a day in strict rotation.

Now, you say you just bought a horn. Although you didn't say what kind it is I'd sell it immediately and get a different one. The best one to get would be a Selmer Mark VI made at 4:27 PM on June 14, 1963, serial number 635543. If you can't get that one though, generally speaking the older and more expensive the better. The following brands are good: Selmer Paris Mark VI. The following brands suck: any other Selmer, Yamaha, Conn, Beuscher, Yanigasawa, Cannonball, LA, Jupiter, Elkhart, King, Martin, Keilworth, Boosey and Hawkes, Couf, Silvertone, and Holton. On no account should you play the horn before you buy it: go strictly on reputation and price. If you can't get a Mark VI and need further information, there's some broad in here who's owned every freaking saxophone ever made, Sherry or Sheryl or something, she can probably tells you which one's the best.

You will also need some accoutrements: a flight case capable of withstanding atmospheric pressure of dP = - Dg dz where D and g are, respectively, the density of air and the acceleration due to gravity at the altitude of the air layer and dz is a horizontal layer of air having unit surface area and infinitesimal thickness; a metronome; a tuner; a combination alto, tenor baritone sax stand with pegs for an oboe, bass clarinet, flute, English horn and bassoon; Band in a Box; every Jamie Abersold play along record ever created; a reed cutter; swabs, cleaners, pad savers, pad dope, pad clamps; a Sennheiser Digital 1092 Wireless Microphone; an effects rig with digital delay and parametric EQ; and a 200 watt (per channel, minimum) amplifier and 18" monitor.

It will be helpful if you listen to lots of sax players. Unfortunately, listening solely to players you like is absolutely the worst thing you can do. To really understand the music and its traditions you have to go back to the beginning and listen to every bit of music ever recorded. I'd start with madrigals and work forward. Once you get to the 20th century pay particular attention to players like Jimmy Dorsey and Sidney Bechet, the well-springs of the modern jazz saxophone. In no time at all, or by 2034, whichever comes first, you'll be able to understand the unique be-bop stylings of players like Ace Cannon, Boots Randolph and Grover Washington Jr.

Finally, to play the sax itself, blow in the small end and move your fingers around.
 
Every time after I came out of a milonga or practica feeling very happy and satisfied, I would wonder what factors make me become so addicted to tango. I still don't know the answer.

When I was young, I danced ballroom as social dance and enjoyed. Before I started tango, I began to attend dance lessons again so that I get some exercises. However none of the other types of dance, Salsa, swing, cha-cha, etc. got me addicted. I went to the classes to exercise. That was all, until finally tango hit me.

I can relate to this. I was attending multiple ballroom dances. It was an exercise for me but I could never learn how to keep balance, make connection or follow. After the first lesson of AT i was totally addicted. I wanted to go back and was counting days till the next lesson. There is definitely something addictive to Argentine Tango that was keeping me listening to music and going to classes and milongas. I was depressed at the time that I started to dance tango and it helped me to deal with depression as well.
 
And yeah. Tango discussions can get a bit cerebral. It's a dance, folks. Just dance. But I'm not privy to say that, since I am an outsider. :wink: :-D
What do you know? You're an outsider.

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Seriously (for just a moment), the "connection" aspect of tango, is what makes it more than just a dance, for some of us.
 
Well if you're going to be serious... I did a private lesson for a couple last night, very young (20-21), a "wedding dance prep" thing. I started going through AT tracks, but they just didn't like it - and I honestly think age was a factor. In the end, we went for the Beatles' "Love me do" and Modern Jive as their dance form.
 
What do you know? You're an outsider.

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Seriously (for just a moment), the "connection" aspect of tango, is what makes it more than just a dance, for some of us.


*grin*

And seriously, to me (this is just me) tango doesn't seem like a dance for younguns. Maybe I'm just old and crotchety, but, for example, that tango video at the top of of the ballroom style thread looked silly to me -- not just because it was clearly not Argentine Tango (okay BR tango people can feel free to shoot me on sight,) but because those kids were way too young, IMV. What do they know about passion and intimacy and connection?

Maybe I shouldn't have used the blues example. Maybe I should have used a nice red wine instead. Can one drink a young red wine? Yes. Can good quality red wines benefit tremendously by a little aging? Yes.

I don't know that it's chronological age that's the determining factor in appreciation or execution of good tango. But I do think that there's a maturity level that certainly helps. Disclaimer: I say this from a spectator's seat. But still ...

And I loved the elephant example, btw. Every "blind" person "sees" the aspect of tango that they can touch. The way they describe it is based on what little bit of tango they see, feel or experience. Very cool. :-)
 
I After all, if one can vote, drink and join the army at 18, why couldn't one dance tango at that age?

Oh, I don't know.. maybe because being brainwashed, becoming brain-dead in order to fit in with some other brain dead people, and blindly following orders in a rigidly structured social construct are exactly the opposite of what Tango is about?

The reason we allow 18 year-olds to vote and join the military is that they are so easily manipulated to follow someone else's ideology (which is why they think they have to drink with their buddies).

If we wanted people who actually question to vote, we'd encourage voting at a much younger age. Like maybe 2. At least children constantly want to know "WHY?" and demand explanations.
 

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