Sadly only the best technique wins

DanceMentor said:
What a beautiful performance and it was the lack of perfection coupled with creativity and enthusiasm that stole the show. Oh and Love that Matador jacket with the knee length socks. All around spectacular.
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Not a fan. China of all places should be able to tailor a bolero jacket better. And his choreography was frankly hokey. The patriotic color was about the only good thing.

The Chinese government should sponsor them to go to Spain to watch an actual bullfight. Or heck, they can afford to bring a bullfight to Beijing.
 
Warren J. Dew said:
Not a fan. China of all places should be able to tailor a bolero jacket better. And his choreography was frankly hokey. The patriotic color was about the only good thing.

The Chinese government should sponsor them to go to Spain to watch an actual bullfight. Or heck, they can afford to bring a bullfight to Beijing.
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Yeah I don't think everybody's gonna like them but if you watch Shirley Ballis in the first row she's loving it haha

I'm not sure who they are and I'm not convinced their Chinese unless you know otherwise.
 
I appreciated their more static figures. And the bold costuming is fun!

(I recognize the leaders outfit, as it happens. I bought the black variant of it for a Paso showcase a few years back. It is very stiff and difficult to move in--I had to add elastic gussets to the pants)

But their more dynamic figures are poorly presented, I'm afraid. It ends up looking like they are blindly reaching far beyond their ability, and raw enthusiasm doesn't make up for it, it my eyes. Watching them mostly makes me feel tense, instead of relaxing into shared enjoyment.
 
DanceMentor said:
Yeah I don't think everybody's gonna like them but if you watch Shirley Ballis in the first row she's loving it haha
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Shirley liked Corky too. But hey, maybe that means they’ll be good after 5-10 more years.
DanceMentor said:
I'm not sure who they are and I'm not convinced their Chinese unless you know otherwise.
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#83 was used by two couples:

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The link doesn’t carry the number, so you’ll have to enter it. Of the two, I think the Japanese pro-am is more likely, so perhaps not Chinese, though the costume styling looks more Chinese to me.
 
fish said:
They are Wong Tsz Chiu and Lan Law Pik from Hong Kong. They've been putting this kind of shows for quite some time now and are pretty famous for that :)
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Thank you for sharing that. I was trying to get their name before and I wasn't able to do it. Someone had posted some other pictures of their dancing and seemed to have pretty interesting costuming. I saw one with him in a pink suit. Judging by their names it sounds like they are Cantonese speakers.
 
Good technique is important. Perfect technique is not. I'm not sure what to think of this couple. Maybe they entered the wrong category as amateurs and should be in adult am-am and not "pre-pro" style am-am. I'm not sure. Their dancing is simply not good. Their hearts are! They don't deserve to be made fun of (I have seen this on FB posts) but they don't deserve to win or even get a call back.
 
Tracy said:
Good technique is important. Perfect technique is not. I'm not sure what to think of this couple. Maybe they entered the wrong category as amateurs and should be in adult am-am and not "pre-pro" style am-am. I'm not sure. Their dancing is simply not good. Their hearts are! They don't deserve to be made fun of (I have seen this on FB posts) but they don't deserve to win or even get a call back.
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As I understand at Blackpool an open division is literally open to anyone who wants to enter but of course it doesn't mean you'll make it past the first round. And I think part of my point here is sadly technique is so important for getting any sort of scoring despite someone being very popular with the audience. I think it's pretty clear they worked hard on what they created here but it doesn't fit into what is acceptable. And there are other aspects like costuming and expression and creativity that are not being judged
 
DanceMentor said:
Thank you for sharing that. I was trying to get their name before and I wasn't able to do it. Someone had posted some other pictures of their dancing and seemed to have pretty interesting costuming. I saw one with him in a pink suit. Judging by their names it sounds like they are Cantonese speakers.
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You are welcome! I might be wrong about the lady though: just saw a post on FB which mentioned Wing Ngor Wong rather Lan Law Pik, as I said in my post -- the latter might have been his partner in the past...
 
DanceMentor said:
As I understand at Blackpool an open division is literally open to anyone who wants to enter but of course it doesn't mean you'll make it past the first round. And I think part of my point here is sadly technique is so important for getting any sort of scoring despite someone being very popular with the audience. I think it's pretty clear they worked hard on what they created here but it doesn't fit into what is acceptable. And there are other aspects like costuming and expression and creativity that are not being judged
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Honestly, that sort of thing is usually best appreciated in showcase style performances, not competitive events, especially not high level prestigious events. The nature of competitive events is that the judges (and/or rule system, or whatnot) pick what will be rewarded, and things outside of that might be good in other ways, but not appreciated in terms of competitive scoring.

They clearly love dancing, and if they're having fun out there despite not getting good marks (presumably, I haven't looked at the marks), then that's great. It's fine to be an audience favorite and not place well. The audience often has different criteria than the judging panel.

If the dancers find the competitive judging system demoralizing (I see no sign that they do) then they can find other venues to perform outside of a competitive judging system. And if the audience disagrees with the judges so much that it detracts from them enjoying the event, the audience members can pick different events to go watch.
 
raindance said:
Honestly, that sort of thing is usually best appreciated in showcase style performances, not competitive events, especially not high level prestigious events. The nature of competitive events is that the judges (and/or rule system, or whatnot) pick what will be rewarded, and things outside of that might be good in other ways, but not appreciated in terms of competitive scoring.

They clearly love dancing, and if they're having fun out there despite not getting good marks (presumably, I haven't looked at the marks), then that's great. It's fine to be an audience favorite and not place well. The audience often has different criteria than the judging panel.

If the dancers find the competitive judging system demoralizing (I see no sign that they do) then they can find other venues to perform outside of a competitive judging system. And if the audience disagrees with the judges so much that it detracts from them enjoying the event, the audience members can pick different events to go watch.
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I think there will always be dancers who are testing the limits or trying new styles. It’s great that Blackpool has an open policy about allowing any couple to enter if they meet the age qualifications and such. Obviously, they may be a little less inclusive if a couple stands out like this one.
 
DanceMentor said:
I think there will always be dancers who are testing the limits or trying new styles. It’s great that Blackpool has an open policy about allowing any couple to enter if they meet the age qualifications and such. Obviously, they may be a little less inclusive if a couple stands out like this one.
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So what do you like about this couple?

I see them loving dance, and sincerely trying, and having fun, and not having great technique (and also probably not great athlethic ability). All of which is fine, many of us fall into one or more of those categories especially if we keep dancing as we age. But they are out of place in that category. (Maybe it's mixed categories on the floor for all I know, I can certainly relate to being a lower level dancer out there in my category and getting run over by others in a higher level category.)

Do you like them just because they look different? Or what exactly appeals to you about their dancing? I'm just curious. I don't see them testing any limits, myself.
 
DanceMentor said:
And I think part of my point here is sadly technique is so important for getting any sort of scoring despite someone being very popular with the audience.
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I think it’s far from clear they are “very popular” with “the” audience. They may just be popular with a very noisy fraction of the audience, most likely from their home studio in Japan or Hong Kong.
 
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