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Paou

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Hi everyone.

I'd like to try and put together a text list of all the moves I know. Firstly so I can remember them and structure practice sessions and choregraphies better.... and second, so I can share them with you guys (and perhaps others can contribute a few too)

First, what are peoples thoughts on textual descriptions of moves?

An example: 5 points if you name the move! - actually, no, only 2 coz it's easy ;)

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(Timings for LA/On1)

Start double hand hold Leaders LH over RH, CBL into 1/2 turn. Lady ends facing away from leader on 7. On 1 either hold for lady styling, or bring hands down and back up "butterfly style" to perform ladys CW 0.5 turn or 1.5 spin back to face.

Options & Notes:
- Instead of "butterfly" lead into spin on 5. Prep lady on 8 CCW (small, and immediately after CBL), with lady 1/2 turn CW on 123, into CBL on 567. (or wind CW on 1 and spin CCW on 3 into CBL - almost like a copa)
- If lead from RH over LH instead it's the same move, but with only ladys R arm outstreched, the other is wrapped in front of her.
- Good for using 8 beats before a break - if the break flows into a percussion solo then definately hold for styling! :)
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Ok, so can anyone actually understand that other than me? :?

I'm also lacking in Acronyms and terms to describe the moves - anyone know any good ones I can use?

Cheers, and have fun!
Matt
 
Welcome to the Dance Forums, Paou!

Yes, I am having problems following you... :) but this might be 'cause I'm tired and very busy... maybe some other members can express their views too... :)
 
OUCH! I haven't the foggiest what you are describing. Maybe because I've been trained by latinos who know the moves, but lack the technical nomenclature. Hook step? Swivel taps? What th'?! Watching shine videos, though, "Hey, I know all of those!" I can't understand the counting, either(bad with numbers :( ) and too much differentiation between starting On1 & On2 but I can watch someone do a new move and can get it right away! 8)
 
CCW or CW gives no meaning to me so far.

I have no problem seeing the basic move for my inner eye, but I can’t follow the variation.

My notes are personal reminders to myself, but here’s the move with my words

X-body To Butterfly.
Starting with X-hands left on top
Move to her side for an extern x-body on 1-2-3.
Lead lady inside turn with the left hand over her head,
and the right hand down. Stop her with her back towards you,
by taking the arms out to the side down and up like a gracious
stroke of the wing, while doing step 123 on the spot.
Lead her left turn out by your left hand, and place her arm
over your shoulder for an open x-body.
Variation:
Using the right hand lead out give different options like check.
 
Danish Guy,
CW - clockwise (right turn)
CCW - counter-clockwise (left turn)

Paou,
I know the move but not the name -- it's one of those where the follower ends up in the "Titanic" position but with both hands held by the leader, right? ("Butterfly" is a good description -- it's hard to follow that turn without the arms going down first.) I don't think I'm following the "almost like a copa" bit though... :oops:

Never come across the RH over LH version, but it sounds interesting :)

For textual descriptions of moves, these lists may give you some pointers...
http://www.perennial.com/pz/Dance/SalsaStepFrame.html
http://www.geocities.com/salsero1234/salsa_patterns.htm

I agree though that it's hard to follow texual descriptions without a partner to work with (and often even with one...).
 
Paou, I think I got the variation too now.

Have to try with a partner to be sure.
I’ll let you know if it worked.
 
MacMoto said:
Danish Guy,
CW - clockwise (right turn)
CCW - counter-clockwise (left turn)

Paou,
I know the move but not the name -- it's one of those where the follower ends up in the "Titanic" position but with both hands held by the leader, right? ("Butterfly" is a good description -- it's hard to follow that turn without the arms going down first.) I don't think I'm following the "almost like a copa" bit though... :oops:

Never come across the RH over LH version, but it sounds interesting :)

For textual descriptions of moves, these lists may give you some pointers...
http://www.perennial.com/pz/Dance/SalsaStepFrame.html
http://www.geocities.com/salsero1234/salsa_patterns.htm

I agree though that it's hard to follow texual descriptions without a partner to work with (and often even with one...).
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I think you've named the "common" name for the move, MM: Titantic.

I'm totally lost about the "options" portion, however.
 
i'm totally lost on this whole thing .. period :lol:

u want to pass on moves.. i just have to see them.. text desriptions make me wana faint :lol:
 
tj said:
I think you've named the "common" name for the move, MM: Titantic.

I'm totally lost about the "options" portion, however.
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I've always called it a T-Stance but I am alwways at a loss for what to add in order to tell wether it is the follow in a Tstance, facing the lead, facing away, the lead in the Tstance, facing the follow or facing away...

Maybe that's because they all have different names :?


Anyway, Welcome to DF Paou.

As far as I am concerned, I'd have to go with sabor on this one : textual explanations of moves are lost on me. The move you describe is one I do all the time, and I still had to reed it 24 times and concentrate real hard to figure what you were talking about.

Other than that, the best way I have to present those IMHO is to do so by sequences. Since you are trying to brake down the steps to explain it (or remember it) go all the way :

Begin in position n° 6
1,2,3 regular CBL start, hands still crossed
5,6,7 orbital turn keeping both hands. Lady ends facing away from leader on 7.
1,2,3 give a presentation or just let the lady improvise her styling
5,6,7 lady is spun back to face the lead, end in position 1


This way of cuting down moves into series of 4 beats is the easiest to follow for it allows for
1. Logical memory, each series of 4 steps being linked with a basic element of the patern/figure
2. Faster improvisation : learning very simple basic and short elements together will get you used to cuting them down, and mixing them up will be all the more easy later on.
3. Easyer to present them / store them in a table.


Besides, all the codification should be explained before hand, so that no confusion is possible
L= Leader
F=Follow
LH=Left Hand
RH=Right Hand
CCW=Counter Clock Wise (if nothing is said, all turns are clock wise)
CBL=Cross Body Lead
Position 1 =




A litle tweaking might be needed, but it is the best system we could come up with to help a friend who wanted to save all the figures we learned.

I however have never been able to visualise what the text means, it takes me forever, so the list he wrote and gave me a copy of is useless to me. Id' rather see the move a few times...
 
Lita_rulez said:
tj said:
I think you've named the "common" name for the move, MM: Titantic.

I'm totally lost about the "options" portion, however.
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I've always called it a T-Stance but I am alwways at a loss for what to add in order to tell wether it is the follow in a Tstance, facing the lead, facing away, the lead in the Tstance, facing the follow or facing away...

Maybe that's because they all have different names :?
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Lol! Good point.

Isn't it funny how much easier it is to show in person than try to communicate with the written word?
 
show me the move and I can do it!!! tell me what is and I am LOST!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: so got any videos to help a sister out :wink:
 
Sabor said:
i'm totally lost on this whole thing .. period :lol:

u want to pass on moves.. i just have to see them.. text desriptions make me wana faint :lol:
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ABSOLUTELY! Just see it & DO IT!
 
Just seeing the move doesn’t give you all the little details that make the lead possible.

To be taught the move is something completely different.

The playing with the move, making it work, making it your “own”

Remembering the move is where I use the notes. To help me with the details and hints before it is stored in muscle memory. Again to brush up on some moves I haven’t done for some time, to get the oh yeah, I can do this too feeling.

Reading someone else’s notes can be inspiring, but is a lot of hard work. You might end up with something useful, but you are never quiet sure it was what was intended originally.
 
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