Simi-Lanjiao
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The singer kept singing "PARA BAILAR PACHANGA". And it already says PACHANGA on the video.
Man, it doesn't get any more clear than that.
salsa or cumbia
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The singer kept singing "PARA BAILAR PACHANGA". And it already says PACHANGA on the video.
Man, it doesn't get any more clear than that.
opendoor
Forum Master
Hi Simi, nothing to get excited about: Salsa is nothing special, it´s not a certain style, it´s only an umbrella term for all and nothing. Salsa means hot sauce, and it´s ingredients are mambo, or cumbia, or cali, or casino, or LA-style, or .... Today also bachata, merengue, zouck are among the term salsa.
Cumbia is the mother of Salsa, don't disrespect the mother while you dance with the daughter.
The " mother and father " of salsa is " Son "
The singer kept singing "PARA BAILAR PACHANGA". And it already says PACHANGA on the video.
Man, it doesn't get any more clear than that.
Often , in songs, the sonero will interject verbally, a different musical style into his performance, but, that does not necessarily mean that, what they "voice " is the song style .
To take into account; there are songs which do change ,from , for e.g. a salsa to a cumbia rhythm then back again to salsa . They also often slot in a Son passage .And.. even go from salsa to guajiras .
ONLY from a musical standpoint. Cumbia is an indigenous dance form, and, the instrumentation is clearly defined. The reason I gave that comparison ,was only from a rhythmically perspective, and, the basic resembles a Whisk ( modified ) .There, all comparisons end .
I think you painted a pretty broad swath there !.
Salsa is distinct in its origins ( time and place ). mambo, the same.
Styles within those original musical formats ,have evolved thru several means ( again, lineage is traceable ) .
For e.g. Casino is the name that was given to the style that Cubans danced IN Cuba ( in casinos ) a close contact form of Son .
Merengue, Bachata are dances with indigenous roots and are NOT of cuban origin, influence ? maybe .
And as to Zouk, thats not really even latin .
opendoor
Forum Master
What shall I say? I for one do not use this term any more, but I always summon to address a (sub)style correctly.
Sorry tt, though you are the capacity I am of different opinion: merengue, bachata and true cuban bolero (not the son-mish-mash) set up their own family of caribbean music and dances. They stem from several european ballad traditions.
Hey, I did not address it as salsa, only spread this! But honestly, since when are lusitanian dances no longer a subgroup of latin dances?
(Lusitanian dances for me are zouck, kizomba and samba... They developed or now got a strong base in portuguese speaking countries as Angola, Cape Verde, Brazil.)
I think you made my point !.. I said they were dances with different origins .
As to Bolero, it IS a Son rhythm, and therefore falls into the Cuban category.
And, Im not speaking to HOW dances are done today,but to musical heritage .
And, in real terms, none of the dances in the Cuban littany are danced , as they were originally formed, which makes them , again, as all dances , hybrids, But, the Cubans were the originators of what we today, dance and teach( embellished ) .
DJ Yuca
Member
And presented as fact. For anyone who is new to the topic of salsa: some of the statements in this thread are obviously incorrect. The worst example may be that zouk is salsa. Oh dear.
opendoor
Forum Master
Hi, Jag, Hi Yuca, don´t know if I started saying so, but definitely I will continue to do so: Cumbia is Cumbia, Zouk is Zouk, Casino is Casino, Mambo classico is Mambo classico.
But Salsa isn´t anything specific. You are allowed to use this word as you like to.
There are musicians who say definitively that , Salsa is NOT a musical format. Going on to say, as many have since said, a word coined by Fania, to re-brand Mambo.
Having said that, todays music, by and large, is different in many or some respects, so.... re- lablelling with a new name ,does serve a purpose. It, at its very least, describes the current dance ,thats evolved from a predecessor ( Mambo ) .Re-placing that name with salsa, seems to be quite appropriate, and if not, what name would you suggest ?? .
And, there are many that feel that,ALL the music in the genre, is a Son based concept.So should we say we are dancing Son ?.. well, there is a dance form that already exists by that name, that is nothing like salsa /mambo.
Music and dance, are both very complex "animals " and any attempt to classify them definitively, seldom gets resolved.
The present day nomenclature ,has been accepted, by and large, on a world wide basis, a "fete acommple'... " no?.( not sure about the grave accents, etc !
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opendoor
Forum Master
The cubans did so in the period of political isolation and identified for instance salsa-dura as fast son-montuno. Now they have their own concepts als casino or timba and so on. I dont want answer to the differences of cuban, PR or NY mambo and chachachá. That would be toooo complicated.
DJ Yuca
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You can use any word as you like and no one is going to arrest you. However that doesn't alter the fact that salsa is a (loose) musical concept known across the globe, and some things are blatantly not part of that concept.
Just because you have decided to believe something, that does not make it true.
Casino existed , long before many of the current newer styles existed.
And, the differences in those mentioned above, are really quite simple, and have been addressed on Salsa Forums, ad infinitum ! .