Should Salsa Replace Mambo

IsaacAltman

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I am wondering what the thoughts are on this one. The DanceSport world uses Mambo as one of their American Rhythm dances. I think they should replace it with Salsa as Salsa is much more popular worldwide. If not then can Salsa and DanceSport have a place together at dance contests? What do you think?
 
IsaacAltman said:
I am wondering what the thoughts are on this one. The DanceSport world uses Mambo as one of their American Rhythm dances. I think they should replace it with Salsa as Salsa is much more popular worldwide. If not then can Salsa and DanceSport have a place together at dance contests? What do you think?

I think you should define what the differences are between Mambo and Salsa.

Is the only difference on1 vs. on2 (Mambo)...Salsa has an ON2 version as well. . .
 
Old Topic, beaten it to death way too many times. Time to move on to another topic, methinks. Just dance what you dance and let dance be what it should be.
 
Sagitta said:
Old Topic, beaten it to death way too many times. Time to move on to another topic, methinks. Just dance what you dance and let dance be what it should be.

some of us are still muddling through the semantics. I'm starting to feel like I get the difference or lack there of, but it's taken me a while and a lot of exploring, so I'm sure there are others who could benefit from your knowledge ;)[/img]
 
Let mambo be mambo and salsa be salsa. Sometimes light is a particle and sometimes it is a wave; we understand light fully when we consider both its characteristics. And I'll leave it at that.
 
Whoa! I really got lost in the shuffle here. For me, Mambo is old. Most of the Latinos think so as well. Ask most Cubans here in Miami who do not go to dance studios and they will tell you the same. In addition, there has not been too many new Mambo songs produced like Salsa has over the past 10 years. Maybe its time for change. What do you think?
 
For the record, I started dancing Mambo in 1972 professionally. If you broke on 1 then you were considered off beat. Times have changed, and so has music. (I still like Mambo though)
 
Lets not kid ourselves. Teaching and dancing Mambo to Salsa music is wrong but not illegal. Many a USBC has played everything but Mambo for American Rhythm and for the World Mambo Championships. We dance and teach Rumba to Bolero music. The Ballroom World chooses whatever suits it and has since I became a member of the NDCA in 1972. All I am saying is it may be a time to change as music has changed. God bless the Ballroom schools, including mine, for keeping Mambo alive, but Salsa just makes more sense.
 
I don't think Mambo should be replaced for the very reason that it IS old. When the English were first building their Latin-American syllabus, I remember reading somewhere that they were considering adding Bossa Nova in the 60's, but determined that it was too much of a passing fad, and that the other dances could be preserved and enjoyed longer because of the impact they were having on the social scene. The same is true for Mambo over here, and leaving Mambo where it is preserves something from the past.

Now, it's true that the Mambo danced now is not our Grandma's Mambo, but that's true about the Waltz, and Tango, too. I don't mind that Mambo has been slowly influenced by passing trends (like Disco moves in the 70's, or FlashDance moves in the 80's, or Salsa moves in the 90's/00's), but the core definition of what Mambo was is still preserved - an On 2 basic, and sharp/steccatto hip and leg actions.

As for the differences Mambo and Salsa have to me, I agree that when a Salsa song comes on, you can tell a sharp action would not be appropriate. You have to hang back and blend the figures. I also personally like breaking on 3 when I dance Salsa (like a fast American Rumba count), that way, I don't have to count - I can just ride the bass-line.

Mambo music, to me, is the old greats, like Tito Puente, Celia Cruz, or the big band renditions of Latin music played by Perez Prado, Xavier Cugat, and other greats.

Ballroom is kind of like a Conservative dance movement, preserving things from the past, but slowly letting in pieces of the new by outside influences or successful innovators from within.

In that case, it appears that what the masses do socially in the ballroom world and what the championship competitors do in front of the judges should meet somewhere in the middle, in order to consider changing any of the dances.
 
Oh, and one more thing that I'm sure the Street/Club Salsa dancers would love to hear from a ballroom dancer...

I don't think Salsa should be controlled or managed by the ballroom world. It would lose too much touch with it's roots and nature. Mambo is what it is in the ballroom world - something that was absorbed back in the 50's and was probably more mainstream then than the Salsa is now, which is not to say that Salsa has already peaked (like Lindy). Crossover is welcome and natural, in my opinion, but people making rules for and passing judgement on a style that can be interpreted so many different ways doesn't make sense to me.

I feel the same way about a Salsero with strong opinions about what's wrong with ballroom - it's not their place to judge what we do. We should all be able to dance to the same music in our own way. Now pleasing judges while you do this is another story ;)
 
Very well said Porfirio, however, I must make this point. I do not mind Mambo. I was a Mambo fanatic in the 70's and did some shows with Tito Puente. In fact Laura and I did an entire dance show with Tito Puente Jr. and his orchestra playing all his dads tunes at Billboard Live on South Beach a couple years ago. I would like to see Salsa take its place in American Rhythm because of its popularity and Worldwide acceptance and that it might help bring more dancers from the Salsa World. A big mistake made back in the 70's is when the NDCA and the American Ballroom Company decided that Disco (Hustle) was not worthy to continue in the mainstream Ballroom curriculum. Now they have their own circuit and World Championships. Same with Swing. Lets not make the same mistake with Salsa. We still can keep Mambo, but have to put it somewhere else. I feel the merging of the Ballroom World with the Salsa World will only be a positive for the partner dancing world.
 

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