Starting West Coast

Sagitta

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I'm planning on starting a West Coast class in two weeks or so... I've taken a few free WCS lessons in the past...

I guess the one thing that I would need help on is the basic when the follower and leader compress and then bounce off. I've completely forgotten the terms for this as I've not done swing in a very long time. Getting that feeling right would be great.

Also what else should I work on? In terms of fundamentals. Tricks in getting them right?
 
Sagitta said:
I'm planning on starting a West Coast class in two weeks or so... I've taken a few free WCS lessons in the past...
Gonna do some serious dancing, eh?

There are some knowledgeable contributors here, and I hope they chime in for you.

Sagitta said:
I guess the one thing that I would need help on is the basic when the follower and leader compress and then bounce off. I've completely forgotten the terms for this as I've not done swing in a very long time. Getting that feeling right would be great.

Could those terms be "push" and "pull?"

Compression, stretch, maintaining your connection - keeping the same level of communication between your hands and your partners hands - and all of this can be done at your fingertips . . . then stepping out ct 1 again, and not necessarily straight back. Usually straight back is for "pushes" and "reverse tucks." If you make a movement from your center and your legs move from your inner thighs . . . you step on ct 1 will be slightly out - not straight back.

Make sure your feet are turned out . . . as in how they are when you walk naturally . . . your feet do not go straight forward as you walk . . . doing this will help maintain a good balance.

Work on:
-Connection (above)
-Rounding your arms and rounding your movement around your follower
-Don't stop anywhere during the 1, 2, 3&4, 5&6 . . . most individuls have a tendency to hesitate at ct 3
-Shape to your dance parnter, and have a quiet body. A quiet body allows follower to distinguish leads, and it looks so much much better.
-Practice your basics

Sagitta said:
Also what else should I work on? In terms of fundamentals. Tricks in getting them right?
What I mentioned above is important . . . you also should or could get as many varied answers as there members of the DF that WCS . . . but remember, use those suggestions that work for you!

There are no tricks . . . but it can be you performing magic!
 
Note that I dance WCS socially.
"I guess the one thing that I would need help on is the basic when the follower and leader compress and then bounce off. "
I believe you are referring to the "Sugar Push" or "Push Break". I don't consider it to be "the basic", but it is one of the basic WCS moves.
The important thing to remember here, I think, is that "the woman owns the slot". Basic WSC has the woman taking two steps forward: right, left. The man usually steps back and sideways: left, right, to get out of the slot so the woman can walk forward. The man can lead either a "left side pass", or a "right side pass". Those terms should be self explanatory.
(And of course there are the two triple steps to complete the basic pattern.)
When the man does not move out of the slot, and the woman does take two steps forward, you can develop the compression you mention. Resolving that compression is where the "push" comes from.
Where I dance, the women seem reluctant to really take the two steps forward. So they take one step, figure you aren't going anywhere, and shorten the second step, and we end up with a minimum of compression. There is little stored energy to push against.
This is why , more and more, I believe that we must understand that we are dancing "partner dances", and it takes two people to make things work.
 
Yup...sugar push or push break...that's it! :-)

And Vince. Yesss! I'm back from my dancing haitus and so will be putting some more hours in. :-)
 
Sagitta said:
Getting that feeling right would be great.

1) Put both hands on a counter, about arms length away.
2) lean gently forward.

Glad I could help. (Technically: lean gently foward means bring your center closer to the counter top without moving your feet, and keeping your head, center, and hips in a single vertical line. Total displacement of your center is probably less than an inch forward of your support - you are only barely moving, but should feel a resulting pressure on your hands from the counter.)

Also what else should I work on? In terms of fundamentals. Tricks in getting them right?

Leader or follower?

For a leader, general advice

1) Leader is Lazy! Get out of the slot usually doesn't mean get completely out of the way, but usually get about half of your body out of the way, and rotate the rest to make room.

2) Leading a change in direction/speed comes from the legs. Leading a change of rotation is done with relaxed arms. The lead for a change in rotation almost always happens when the follower is between your shoulders.

3) If she is even with your head when she has finished step 2, the end of most patterns won't quite feel right. She should not quite be even with you at count 2 (even with your shoulder, or maybe between your shoulder and your head).

4) When you get it right, the lead feels effortless.

5) Everybody sucks when they have to think when they dance. Accept that this phase will pass, and return, and pass again, back and forth in phases the rest of your life.

For followers

1) The single biggest thing you can do to help is make sure you aren't yet even with the leader on count 2. Fight the urge to race down the slot, you're just going to come back again.

2) Following a compression lead (toward you) is much harder than following an extension lead (away from you). Expect to work harder at this.

3) The balance of learning this dance is totally unfair. Beginning leaders have a million things to deal with, followers only one... "do as you're told". Followers are going to feel held back for a while. Lie back and think of England - the leaders will soon learn to start leading, then you can worry about your bit.

4) When the turns start happening, you will find that you don't have time to finish the turn. The cause is that you are rushing to start it, and knocking yourself over. Just another one of this dance's lovely contradictions.

5) When you get conflicting information on line from a leader and a follower, try the follower's way first.

Side note: there are a lot of teaching styles in this dance - my advice may be directly contradictory to what you get in class. Do it your teacher's way; it should all fit together into a consistant whole.

Edit: feel free to chime in here with comments on how closely I've matched the target audience. This advice can probably be scaled to more novice or advanced dancers than I targetted here, if you let me know which you prefer
 
Dancelf,
Great way of putting things . . . I think that post should have a sticky and be put in the "beginners" section. The words say a lot.

It is strange, about the teaching styles vary . . . things that I learned just this week are very contradictory to things that I learned a year ago.
 
My advice would be to go to the first class first and than work on the basics the teacher shows, the way they show them. There seems to be a variety of approaches and styles of west cost swing. I would find out what this teacher is teaching and than start doing some extra work relative to what they teach.
 
I only have a bit of advice, seeing as alot of it has been listed already.

On your ones and twos, bring the knee through and point the toe first before moving your weight forward, if you do the prances right on one and two it will look so amazing instead of flat. It'll look really sexy.
 
Assuming you mean the Push Break or Sugar Push, please compress, Please, Please Compress.

And the leader should not really push off, not much anyway. My DW likes me to keep the free hand pretty much stationary; put it up there and let her do the compress and rebound. Some other followers I've danced with like a little more rebound from me, but what I try to think about is basically following her rebound with my hand, rather than shoving her away.
 
It's just like you walk . . . and if you're engaging your inner thighs, you'll get the turnout out you need with your feet.

Smooth, no bouncing . . .
Right, I agree. I dance WCS heel lead (err, as Id walk is the better way to describe it, for maximum smoothness.) However, I was curious what she advised for the struts she was talking about, cause I think they can look odd when exagerated with heel leads. (I go for more minimum impact knees)

Incidently, smooth wcs is as completely possible with toe leeds, IMO, alot of people do it. I dont like the look as much personally, not as clean. But thats just my preference.
 

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