Taking pictures at tango events - an intrusive practice?!

ardix

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I wonder, how/when did this start, taking pictures of the participants dancing at different tango events? Somehow I am guessing that it is a slip, that cameras shifted focus from the couples of maestros performing/giving shows to the humble, regular participants. Only that there is an unbalance here, a sort of inequality: while the performing couples are fully aware of this and have trained in posing, the regular tanguer@s (well, most of them) are at loss - being either unaware or unskilled in posing. They are so immersed in the dance, in their own feelings that they somehow feel like being photographed naked - which they are, in a way, emotionally naked.

What is your take on this?
 
Somehow I am guessing that it is a slip, that cameras shifted focus from the couples of maestros performing/giving shows to the humble, regular participants.
This part, I like the best. Because all the maestros would be nothing without anyone taking their workshops or watching their performances.
Only that there is an unbalance here, a sort of inequality: while the performing couples are fully aware of this and have trained in posing, the regular tanguer@s (well, most of them) are at loss - being either unaware or unskilled in posing.
And that makes it authentic. Capturing a moment between breaths that will never happen again... the proverbial river of Heraclitus, as it were.
They are so immersed in the dance, in their own feelings that they somehow feel like being photographed naked - which they are, in a way, emotionally naked.
In one sense, it's a highly intimate and introspective moment (well, except for the status-obsessed and the showy and outwardly-focused dancers), and it feels almost like intruding into the inner sanctuary of a temple.

You are not meant to see them, to be with them.

But maybe for those in the photo, it is a memory to be treasured and cherished.

Or, well, show off that you danced with some famous dancer/look good dancing/standard social media living my best life ulterior motives, which seems to be a prevalent concern. Not that I'm entirely not guilty of any of them.

And it also helps attack the public image of tango as wholly melodramatic passion and overly passionate drama, and demonstrates a more heartfelt, genuine image of two people giving the whole of themselves, accepting each other without any reservations.
 
My unasked for photo was amongst a group of pics
of the event posted on Facebook. I expressed my
discontent to the photographer about photos in general.

Next time he was at an event I attended he posted
more pics amongst which was the happy smiling face
of my dancing partner. I was only recognisable to me
as only my back appeared.

I'd rather he didn't (photo nor publish) - I'm not performing
for the camera nor indeed for anyone. I consider photographers
intrusive and inappropriate. However my opinion won't stop it.
While one restored milonga in BA has notices prohibiting
photography other milonga organisers take or organise
photos to be published.

In my opinion attendees are somewhat disrespected
but it happens in many places and other dances. Once
considered private activities made public without permission.
 
My unasked for photo was amongst a group of pics
of the event posted on Facebook. I expressed my
discontent to the photographer about photos in general.
This is an issue - I think a few photographers I know (of which I am personally acquainted with one or two) make it known that they will remove any photos of yourself if requested. I think some events do ask attendees to let them know if they do not wish any photos of themselves to be taken/made public.
 
This is an issue - I think a few photographers I know (of which I am personally acquainted with one or two) make it known that they will remove any photos of yourself if requested. I think some events do ask attendees to let them know if they do not wish any photos of themselves to be taken/made public.
No-one should have to ask.

The act of photography is intrusive of social dance.
We are not performing seals.
 
Here in Canada – much as in the U.S.A., if my work experience in Texas can be trusted – the culture is that people will go right up to the wire of what they're legally permitted to do. Good luck trying to stop them! Thus, it all comes down to the letter of the law. I know several each lawyers and photographers, so here's a researched answer (though it disagrees strongly with popular understanding in places I've marked "*"):

• You can legally take pictures of people without their permission in public spaces like bus stops, parks, and streets.

• You can legally take pictures of people without their permission in private spaces open to the public* – including bars, dancehalls, and nightclubs – unless the space's owner (or their agent, like a manager, but nobody else and especially not clients) posts "No Photography" signs or their equivalent, or makes an equivalent announcement. Performers are not excepted*, but routinely put clauses in their performance contracts that obligate venue owners to make such postings and announcements.

• You cannot legally take pictures of people without their permission in their homes or on their private property.

• You cannot legally take pictures of people without their permission if that would break another, non-privacy law; e.g., you cannot photograph people naked without their permission, because that gets into the laws on decency, which are different from those on privacy. Likewise, you cannot photograph trade secrets, because that violates IP law.

• If a photo was taken legally, the photographer owns the copyright. Nobody in the photo has any legal claim to it or right to use it.*

• If a photo was taken legally, those in the photo can ask that it not be used in exhibitions, media (online or traditional), or publicity, and that request isn't considered harassment or nuisance, but the copyright holder – the photographer or their customer – can ignore the request*, and there's no further recourse.

We looked into this for the tango festival I worked at twice. As a result, every last lesson and performance by masters started with a "Please do not record or photograph without permission" message. At the same time, the fine print of the festival information said that your payment acknowledged agreement to have photos of you used in post-event publicity for this year's festival and advertising for next year's festival.

I've never seen a "No Photography" sign or heard a "Please do not record or photograph" message at an ordinary milonga.

Personally, I dislike being photographed. I'm not photogenic. In tango photos, I always seem to be caught in a weird pose or with a strange look on my face. All I see are my technical deficits.

However, I've learned to live with it because the law is not on my side.
 
It's the same in the UK. The key phrase here is you cannot take photos or video in places where people would have "a reasonable expectation of privacy." Any public place, or private place to which the public has access, is fair game.
That's the terminology we use, too. For tango, it does add something to invitation-only encuentros . . . those aren't considered accessible to the public, so by the book, you can't legally take photos without permission even if nobody posts a sign or makes an announcement.
 
I wonder, how/when did this start, taking pictures of the participants dancing at different tango events?
Years ago. Privacy!

Personally, for various work-connected reasons, it was advised not to be on social media, especially if you could be identified and linked to other activities. I guess that applies esp. In the US nowadays (e.g.medic, political connection, nurse). Paediatrician also became dangerous in the UK amongst the ignorant. Maybe nowadays even connected with fossil-fuels. Northern Ireland - well PSNI members have just been put at risk with a massive publication of information. Certainly you don't want to be identified as a leftie 'woke' lawyer by the government!

It's like publishing your holiday photos on FB whilst away for all the world to see that your house (which may be traceable) is empty.

Privacy - don't dare to photograph children playing, even in public. And don't even think of some buildings in 'private' public places (although the UK law, I believe, makes sensible exceptions).

So, Tango: organisers should ask if people mind being photographed and appearing on social media. It shouldn't just be a given. Nowadays I'm slightly less cautious. Previously organisers have given notice and respected my desire, and that of others, not to be photographed.
 
..wonder, how/when did this start, taking pictures of the participants dancing..,
Around 2006 I became interested in international tango festivals. And of course it were precisely these photos that aroused my interest. Of course I was interested in these events from the first second of my tango existence in 2000 on. But from 2006 onwards, I craved just for such a photo of myself. I felt that it was an accolade or a qualification.
..guessing that it is a slip, that cameras shifted focus from ..maestros ..to ..regular participants..
No, it was different. Around the turn of the millennium, professional photographers were hired at the festivals. the photos were then made accessible on separate photo pages and download sites. In addition to the maestros, there always were photos of the participants, too. This has been the norm at all balls in the BR scene for decades, as well. The paradigm shift happened exactly when the DJs started taking photos.
..there is an unbalance here.. while the performing couples are fully aware of this ..regular tanguer@s ...are at loss..They are so immersed in the dance.. that they somehow feel like.. emotionally naked..
Sorry, that's crap. Each dancer (at least my cohort, and it's not small) consciously dances towards the camera and poses without end. Unfortunately, the last generation of tango photographers discards exactly these images. These self-forgotten couples, transcended in levitation, are pure social constructions from the desktop in Photoshop.
What is your take on this?
After our last dance together to "Las Juan d'Arienzos" I rushed to check on FB to see if a stunning photo of us two had been posted. I was very disappointed not to find us. But I still have fine memories instead!
 
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It creeps me out. It's like somebody reading my diary. Some milongas keep a record of attendees. I give them a fake name. And I don't like being photographed while dancing boob-to-chest with somebody else's wife.
 
I've noticed an alarming number of couples who dance more wildly (apparently they're kicking it up a notch and dancing at their highest level) and move closer to a camera once they spot it. :D
I'd be heading away, or to be hidden. Looks like they're trying to impress the judges.
 

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