Tango as a 'third place'

..To put it short and bluntly: ..snob ..or ..creep..
I think you should also consider the exceptions and borderline cases:
-former dancers (like me) who show up to collect besitos;
-tango musicians who are having fun at the bar;
-visiting maestros at the VIP table who don't even glance at the dance floor.
 
I think you should also consider the exceptions and borderline cases:
-former dancers (like me) who show up to collect besitos;
-tango musicians who are having fun at the bar;
-visiting maestros at the VIP table who don't even glance at the dance floor.
 
Yes, all the milongas I know and hear about are geared towards dancing – and tango is a partner dance.
And you can argue that people go to third spaces to increase their social capital — think of it as more opportunities to network in business or personal settings.

The flavor of social capital in dance scenes is very specific, people that you share festivals with, have great tandas, talk about shoes and clothes, go to practicas together, etc. This dance capital pretty much dissappears outside the dance. One of the main complaints I heard from a lot of people is that if they leave a dance or stop going as much, all the people they thought were great friends just disconnect, just because they no longer have this great similar dance glue.
 
And you can argue that people go to third spaces to increase their social capital — think of it as more opportunities to network in business or personal settings.
Some might, however I've personally noted that those who've 'made it' don't do that. They 'work the room socially'. That's included presidents I've met by chance at universities, high-ranking members of the UK's royal family (once got served by one in the university student bar!), good CEOs, good managers, military officers, etc. You can argue that it's faked, certainly managed in some cases, but those who do it know 'on which side their bread is buttered', as we say, and who provides the services they need. And in some cases there's no prospect of personal gain for them.
 
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And I could report the Argentinian ambassador, the consul, and the vice-consul. I could report all of them who pretend to be tango experts.
Ah, but none of my encounters claimed to be AT experts! In fact, most of them were (apparently!) interested in comments, open questions, advice, information, feedback, socialising. They engaged, rather than standing aloof.
 
Thats the differences between us and Argentines who claim to have cut there teeth in tango. Seems, their tango teeth appeared in their late 40s. Is it still decidious tango teeth? And excuse my irony. But the overestimation and self-stylization of Argentinians concerning tango still is unique and unparalled.
 
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And I could report the Argentinian ambassador, the consul, and the vice-consul. I could report all of them who pretend to be tango experts.
It was quite amusing with the previous Argentine ambassador to the UK. He didn't dance tango, and while he was the host and used to being the centre of attention, at the milongas hosted there he was simply a bystander.
 
Ah, but none of my encounters claimed to be AT experts! In fact, most of them were (apparently!) interested in comments, open questions, advice, information, feedback, socialising. They engaged, rather than standing aloof.
I think that’s part of growing and using your social capital. Lube and bridge. You use it to interact with other who know who you are, maybe get perspectives that you normally wouldn’t in a boardroom ( lubrication ). Or you use it to reinforce the weak connections or create new ones ( bridge ). A recent example I saw was a teacher who taught at a university meeting the president of the tango club of another university at the dressing room of a milonga. They both were pretty high social capital in their own scenes but now this new bridge or connection makes going to the milonga worth it.
 
I mean, pubs have soft drinks, but I also know people who don't drink who dislike pubs because they are full of people who do, so they are definitely not a universal third place, which appears to be what you are suggesting.


Oldenburg didn't say third places had to be free, only that they had to be inexpensive.
Few places here would qualify even on those grounds, except public spaces such as parks and playgrounds.
 
You use it to interact with other who know who you are, maybe get perspectives that you normally wouldn’t in a boardroom ( lubrication ).
Yes, it can be. I've also known of some who are incognito, but, as you say, getting a perspective they wouldn't normally have.

You seem to regard 'social status' as significant! It can be, but most times irrelevant. But then I was used to working in, essentially a meritocracy, but everyone knew their role - and connections, and who knew what. Sometimes managers who didn't understand disrupted things. One even got removed by higher authority.
 
Few places here would qualify even on those grounds, except public spaces such as parks and playgrounds.
Oldenburg was sometimes less pedantic! See article by Oldenburg and Christensen for Unesco. But sociologists have to earn their crusts with investigations and articles, so it helps there if you can define things which are, and aren't 'third places'.
 
Few places here would qualify even on those grounds, except public spaces such as parks and playgrounds.
That's a big part of the problem, according to literature I've read on the subject. In recent decades, there are ever-fewer places where people can congregate for free, and those places tend to be further from homes and workplaces than they used to be. The problem is especially pronounced with kids, who have even less money and even less freedom to move.
 
The problem is especially pronounced with kids, who have even less money and even less freedom to move.
Roblox.

There is a recent book called the Anxious Generation which was super interesting because it described the past as a play based childhood vs a more current screen based childhood. Specially after Covid. I do notice in my own kids that it is harder to get them to try things like dancing and this is the same vibe I get when I send events to people who have kids in their twenties.
 
In recent decades, there are ever-fewer places where people can congregate for free, and those places tend to be further from homes and workplaces than they used to be. The problem is especially pronounced with kids, who have even less money and even less freedom to move.
It seems to depend where you live. From experience with a relative in Stockholm, the provision there is really good - especially with children - library combining games, theatre, play areas, internet, coffee, lunch (fika!). Finland also seems to be good - anywhere it can get really cold so you need warmth and protection from the weather.

UK? Well, many places can't run libraries any more, or depend on volunteers if the building can be retained. You get what you're prepared to pay for - unless some organisation (typically religious body - e.g. synagogue, mosque, church, temple) provides something.

Certainly being 'free' (ok, someone ,or all of us, pay) is desirable but not necessary to the basic concept. But you might still have to pay, or donate, for coffee.

A typical issue is that many 'public' spaces are now private - but that also applies to pubs where the host can refuse entry.
 

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